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Moderate Muslims locked out : Comments

By Saeed Khan, published 7/11/2006

Instead of handouts for religious institutions the Government should focus on a campaign against racism and Islamophobia.

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“the moderates and progressives of the Islamic community”? There is no such thing. Muslims are all tarred with the same brush. If they are not actually aggressive, then they are making excuses for the aggressive ones.

Muslims will never be satisfied until they have what THEY want. Our weak Prime Minister seems determined that they will get what they want
Posted by Leigh, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 9:17:55 AM
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Mr Khan says it all:

"There are many models and interpretations within Islam, which is why there is bound to be conflict between religious forces over whose model should succeed."

and

What brand of Islam will this institute teach: Sunni, Wahhabi, Shiite, Ahmadi, Alawi or one of the dozens of other schools of thought?

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Of course Mr Khans 'Green' agenda is about Islamophobia and all the other phobia's that the Greens have on their social hit list.

But he underlines one important point here. Next time you are told by some Muslim about the UNITY of Islam etc..... refer them to the above quotes.

But, in understanding the vast majority of Islam, it resolves to just 2 brands. Shia and Sunni. The conflict in Iraq (mainly these 2 groups) goes back all the way to the Abbassid and Ummayad dynasties from which those 'brands' came. Just after the first 4 supposedly rightly guided Caliphs.

Far more important than addressing 'Islamaphobia' or..setting up an Australian version of China's '3 self' government approved and controlled Church model for Muslims, is to provide Australians some insights about how Islam arose, and how its leader/founder acted.

Of even more important and URGency, is the dissemination of knowledge about Radical Islam, and its clearly spoken objective of "To rule the world".

Radical Islamists are working towards "Pure" Islam in 55 countries.
As Walid Shoubat (Former PLO Muslim terrorist) said..if just 10% of them succeed, there would be over 100,000,000 'Jihadists' far more than the Nazis.

Instead of harping at Hilali, and his meat muffups... we should be exposing the ratbag, satanic, false prophet promoting hatred of those who could actually do us serious harm.
Fortunately Fox News is doing just that. "Obsession:The Threat of Radical Islam" is a feature story this month (Yes IIIII know..timing timing timing) about the Doco (yes..I know its done by a Jew).

What it contains, taken from news footage of Arab/Muslim countries is strikingly horrific and would cause chills up every Australian spine.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 9:41:23 AM
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Continued...

The greatest danger to Australia is of a Muslim community which could be radicalized by those who think nothing of killing voices of dissent.
The best answer to this, is conversion and spiritual liberation. Muslims seeing the truth of Christ and running for their very lives from this oppresive faith and into the arms of a Loving God.
Conversion can only occur when truth is known. Truth about their own founder and truth about Christ.

The law suit by Waleed Aly and company at the ICV was an attempt to stifle truth. Islamic leaders will always try to prevent criticism of their prophet especially.

Exposure of his character and awful behavior will usually result in anonymous death threats from some unknown person "in the community" but we know how real such threats are, with various people like Van Gogh being brutally murdered in Mohammed's name.

The Scholar Muir, (often quoted by Fellow Human) who is very balanced in his treatment of Islam and Mohammed, quoted this. (from Hadith)

Ayesha used to say,- "The Prophet loved three things,- women, scents, and food; he had his heart’s desire of the two first, but not of the last."

He also says:

"He never took revenge excepting where the honour of God was concerned."

So, clearly, insulting God (or his messenger) was a capital offense.
He owned properties, (stolen from Jews) Houses, estates and fruit gardens(from exiled Jews) and thought nothing wrong of this.

Christ Jesus, had no army, no weapons, was killed after only 3 years of wandering, healing, teaching about the true Kingdom of God, and said that kingdom was not 'of this world'. Within 300 yrs this simple Gospel of Salvation and forgiveness through faith in Him, had overtaken the Might of Rome.

Contrast this with the man who "loved women, scents and foods" and who believed that through violence and war the Kingdom of Allah/Islam should be defended and expanded......
Posted by BOAZ_David, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 9:55:32 AM
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Boaz...

I agree with your post in relation to the greatest threat to Australia being a group of radicals willing to kill voices of dissent. I think most (not all) of what we're hearing now is merely a temporary paranoia that will pass and is being fuelled for political purposes, but there are plenty that will disagree with me.

I'd be interested to hear your perspective the recent howard government moves to install chaplains in schools.

Should a government be complicit in the spread of spiritual values? Hasn't christianity operated independently from government for the last four hundred years or so? Do you believe there are problems with government promoting religion, even if it is through a less than direct manner?

I don't ask to spread my particular view, rather, I'm interested in the viewpoint from someone who seems to me to be a devout christian, but open to considering criticisms of the faith.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:16:47 AM
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I think the biggest threat to Australia are people like Danny Nalliah who want the so-calleed Christian-Right to take over the political agenda of this country.

I certainly don't wish to live in a nation where abortion is completely illegal and where we ban important scientific research that could save lives just because of one man's warped interpretation of scriptures.
Posted by Irfan, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:52:28 PM
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Here,once again, we have the muslim voice raised in protest at more perceived victimisation.
Is the government going to give 8 million to Hindus, Innuits, Poles,Phillipinos,Scots, Irish ,etc,etc. If not ,why not? We are equal in this country except for muslims who consider they are far above the hoi polloi and should be entitled to benefits not available for others.
And Irfan would rather not live in a country where something upsets his view of things.
Well, we would rather not have people who so arrogantly think the whole world revolves around themselves.
If muslims feel marginalised or unwanted, they should look to their own attitudes and actions.Because that is where the solution to their constant grievances lie.
Posted by mickijo, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 3:03:17 PM
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