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Moderate Muslims locked out : Comments

By Saeed Khan, published 7/11/2006

Instead of handouts for religious institutions the Government should focus on a campaign against racism and Islamophobia.

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Saeed is probably right when saying that a lot of the money will end up in the wrong hands. The Islamic communities in ability to deal with extremism was shown with the“cat and meat” fiasco. And one has to ask themselves is giving more money to these people right?
Sure Islam deserves as much support as any other religion does but it has to go to the right people who encourage the Australian way of life and not to the people who have a 14th century mindset.
With regards to getting jobs the best thing these immigrants can do is try and be more Australian. The biggest hurdle those young people who were born hear face is their parents. That is there parents rub it into them that they are Islamic not Australian/Western and this as we know has a big effect on them when they try and interact with other Australians. After all when it comes to jobs 40% is your resume and the other 60% is your personality and your ability to fit into the current culture of the company.
Muslims can give themselves a big leg up by simply attemtpting to be more Australian and less Muslim in all manner of their lives.

I agree with you Irfan that people like Nalliah are idiots but I think it is a feeble attempt on your behalf to try and score a hit on Christian fruit loops by saying
“I certainly don't wish to live in a nation where abortion is completely illegal and where we ban important scientific research that could save lives just because of one man's warped interpretation of scriptures.”

Would you really leave Australia if abortion was completely illegal? It means that much to you?
Posted by EasyTimes, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 3:38:54 PM
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David I saw the Fox promo on Sunday, thought it was brilliant. Really surprised it was even allowed to air where I am. This stuff needs to be out there. In the end it will be only the media that will bring us (the west) out from our slumber of political correctness (over a barrel, pants around the ankles!) Long live Fox!
Posted by trueaussie, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 9:54:52 PM
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Does any one actually know how Muslims come to migrate to Australia or any other non-Muslim country? What reasons do they state for immigration? They can't be refugees. The last thing an honest refugee wants to import is the horror their fleeing. So if their not refugees (if it is agreed that a practicing Muslim can't seek refuge from Islam)and that they have migrated for some other reason. Why is it up to their host societies to provide them with employment and make room for them in government. If there is no work for these people who hate democracy and demand the imposition of sharia, why are they being allowed in to the country? It's quite obvious that Muslims have no intention of standing on their own two feet, freely adopting and ensuring democratic values and fully participating in an ever shrinking world that no longer has a place for fascism or any other type of despotism. It's too bad that they so quickly adopted the mantle of victim to push their Islamic agenda, rather than honestly adopting the values expressed by their new society and nation. Muslims who want to be seen as other than interlopers might best achieve that by integrating, assimilating, and reforming Islam in regards to the national beliefs and the rights and freedoms of the individual and not
expect that the nation will submit to Islam or Muslim dictates of "right behavior" and governance. To submit, submission, surrender, are not valuable concepts of the societies of the western world.
Posted by aqvarivs, Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:23:10 PM
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TRTL see my post in the 'chaplains thread mate to answer your question please.

IRFAN... believe it or not...I almost agree with you. I would shudder at the thought of Danny (who I love in the Lord as a brother) having too much input in the political arena.
His ministry should be limited to a prophetic one...

Jesus said:
["You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.]

If anything contrary to the Scriptures emerges out of their ministry, and that includes any 'Theocratic' tendency.... I would worry much.

So far, I've not noticed this, but haven't looked at all he publishes.
I do know that the main thrust of his ministry is 'national repentance and spiritual renewal of Australia' and I also know that he would be the first to affrim that this can only come from the heart not the law. The law, can at least prevent the stifling of truth and the Gospel, but it cannot produce belief directly.

I worry far more though, about fearful moderate muslims and fearless radicals who would think nothing of killing dissenters.
Such a mentality simply does not exist in what you term the 'Christian Right'.

The worst 'we' would do, is tighten up immigration and enhance educational policy toward social cohesian, cultural reinforcement, historical awareness, and personal integrity.

If me, I would change the law on citizenship dramatically to provide for exile of the likes of Hilali.

-Praising our enemies... immediate exile to their country.
-Public cries of "death to Australia" would be "execution". (that is a declaration of war) (insanity plea accepted)
-Burning our flag ... "10 yrs to life"

Refer Romans 13 for background_discussion.

The usual list of social issues would surely receive attention. No need to state them here :)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 8 November 2006 12:58:18 PM
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Boaz_David
The last part of your post was a bit extreme don’t you think?
I mean all of the things you stated are acts that would make my stomach turn but your punishments would make it turn even more!
Those are the kinds of punishments that dictators use to rule with an iron fist!

Sure I love this country to bits but we can’t do anything really about the sordid people who are already hear but a selective immigration program could do wonders for the future of this great country.
Posted by EasyTimes, Wednesday, 8 November 2006 1:27:56 PM
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Easy..yes it was extreme... deliberately so, hopefully to stir some discussion.

Sometimes we have to state something outside the boundaries of our normally accepted range of solutions/punishments to challenge our entrenched and often inherited thinking.

Your restraint in responding is appreciated:)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 9 November 2006 7:54:46 AM
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