No dee the hijab or some sort of veil as de riguer for Muslim women since the 2nd Century for what ever reason

And Benjamin a whippng boy is a scapegoat, a patsy, a fall guy or some one punished for the wrong doing of others historically apparently it a was a boy who took the cuts in lieu of a prince for example when he made a mistake.

I have used it very loosely here to descibe the habits of some who vilify wops, spics, dagoes, kykes, mulsims, polacks, irish, wogs and asians - and when there is nothing left the defaualt position of aborignal bashing kicks in -

it is a cyclical kind of thing - I havegone on to define this as...a tendency to vilify wops, spics, dagoes, kykes, mulsims, polacks, irish, wogs and asians - and when there is nothing left the defaualt position of aborignal bashing kicks in. Get it

Islamophobia will pass with the attendant pain like a renal stone through the urethra of life - we will then find another whipping boy - they will probably wear different clothes and eat funny food - the usual suspects

sneekeepete,

I hope many muslim women will get free from the oppression in their families, mosques & muftis. But, it may end in disasters.

However, I see there is no hope/future for muslim women as for now. I have 2 questions for them:

1. How can you follow a paedophile mohammed(cbuh), a person who took a 9 yr old girl as his 14 th wife and also took his adopted son's wife as his wife once he saw her naked?

2. I dont care what you wear. Infact, I dont look at muslim women at all. But, when I am walking on a street, if a woman was walking in a black-dress with 2 small holes, then all the attention will be on that woman.. the reason is: A person completely covered in black dress gets more attention than a person whose face is exposed. Isn't it true?

p.s : I wont lust after women just by seeing her face. I am devoted to my partner and I will never betray her.

Good for you tit for tat - your fidelity is praiseworthy indeed;

As for point one I am no serious student of the Koran - but there are a lot of people masquerading as such, cherry picking bits and pieces here and there to suit their arguement -

but when it comes to filandering behaviour read the bible - there was quite a bit of giving up on infertile wives and slipping one to the younger sister and one thing and another - 9 year old brides were probably quite common in those days - I dont know - I am just very sceptical about any johnny come lately supposed Koranic scholars who happened to be largely white anglo saxon and middle class;

Where were they twenty years ago when the first wave of Muslims rocked up? If all the bad things said about Islam was true now they were true then - did we see any of this stuff then -Nope we did not much of what we see is in response to the supposed threat of terror - my 12 year old is ,more scared of global warming than being blown up and so am I (but I am not very scared )- the real threat is a disportionate resposne to what terrorism we have had, further marginialisng an other wise benign population to the poijt where they react - it is happening now -

As for point 2 sure people will look at the different but there is a great deal of difference between looking at and placing a whole bunch of meanings to why they wear the gear

Cornflower, my goodness but you're one heck of a fiesty woman.

I cannot tell you, how good it is to have a real woman like yourself on board, fighting for the betterment of ALL of humanity, especially our precious kids. I do hope you speak freely to other women about these matters and open their eyes to the nonsense perpetrated by the "progressive" hate sisters and their brothers of the "revolution".

I really wish I knew who you are, but I don't.

Only through these pages, I can say, it's a pleasure to know you. I know your family is in good hands. To you and yours, all the very, very best in life.

sneekeepete,

I am not surprised by your reply. It's the typical answer - to compare and bring some other thing rather than answering the question.

I have always condemned, ridiculed, criticized, questioned all the paedophile catholic priests and I am right in doing that.

Here, no one is beyond criticism. However, I am appalled when muslims say that the paedophile mohammed was the perfect man and a role-model for all humanity. Dont you think so?

Sneekeepete - 'the hijab or some sort of veil as de riguer for Muslim women'

I know there has been some form of veil worn by Muslim women since ancient times but I am particularly curious about the hijab. I found some interesting information at:

http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/essay-01.html

Seems that we may both be correct:

In the Middle Ages numerous laws were developed which most often placed [Muslim] women at a greater disadvantage than in earlier times. In some periods, such as under the Mamluks in Egypt, repeated decrees were issued, urging strictness in veiling and arguing against the right of women to take part in activities outside their home.

The real surge toward donning hijab came with Iran's revolution. Women were seen as key elements in achieving changes in public morality and private behavior. Unveiled women were mocked, called unchaste "painted dolls," and were punished if they appeared in public without proper covering. In countries beyond Iran in the 1970s, demonstrations and sit-ins appeared over opposition to the required western style dress code for university students and civil servants.

Muslims in their first century at first were relaxed about female dress. When the son of a prominent companion of the Prophet asked his wife Aisha bint Talha to veil her face, she answered:

"Since the Almighty hath put on me the stamp of beauty, it is my wish that the public should view the beauty and thereby recognized His grace unto them. On no account, therefore, will I veil myself."

That is sad! From Aisha bint Talha to the chador.