Tit fer; I think I mean what I say;- I struggle with your assesment of me as a hypocrite - and as I tried to point out I have no problems with a muslims beliefs partly because I, unlike sooooo many others, do not profess to be an expert on Islamism.

I know how I interacted with muslims pre 9/11 and how I do now; I also know that all this post 9/11 resentment is just a form of mass hysteria - not dissimilar to that which over took germany about the Jews in the pre war years - so any assesment of what is and isnt Islamic values today is made through a very distorted prism.

And as it happens I do not have a problem with non muslims creeds - I used some of the stupid contradictions of the christian faith to point out - obviously badly - how anything can be read into anything at all - hence the foolishly of your resentment and that silly question being based on your understanding of islamism - and I would contend it is a seasonal resentment - if it were not for 9/11 etc you wouldnt care if muslim women wore sugar bags or prada -

And I am not interested in the intolerance of other nation states - let them be that way - that is no reason for me to be so intolerant - patience and acceptance will eventually win -

tit for tat: "No buddy; as you say that what muslims wear is their business; then apply the same logic to westerners in islamic countries- what westerners wear is their business; atleast try once in Saudi/Bali/Egypt and please share your 'loving' experiences here."

Are you suggesting that our society should mimic Saudi society.

I'm in shock. That's the most unAustralian thing I've read all day.

"...Saudi/Bali/Egypt and please share your 'loving' experiences here"

Gee, what brilliant logic!

step one: They're intollerant prats

step two: We don't like intollerant prats

step three: We're about freedom!

step four: If we're in their country we won't have freedom

step five: Lets be intollerant prats TO THEM in OUR country THAT will show them how much WE ARE about FREEDOM!

Because, apparently, we're all about the rights of the individual to do as they please so long as it dosn't harm anyone UNLESS YOU'RE WEARING A PIECE OF FABRIC AROUND YOUR HAIR because THAT is really what is going to DESTROY OUR FREEDOM.

Sheesh.

Sorry for all the Boaz-esq capitals, but really, the logic that if people are mean to us, then we should be mean back because that will show how nice we are is just frickin' stupid.

Hi snakepete,

" I struggle with your assesment of me as a hypocrite .. I have no problems with a muslims beliefs partly because I, unlike sooooo many others, do not profess to be an expert on Islamism. "

That is the true nature of hypocrite. You have problems with non-muslim religions as you know them but you dont have problems with muslims as you dont know about islam. What a logic!

I suggest you to know/learn about Islam and then post your "non-hypocritic" posts.

"And I am not interested in the intolerance of other nation states - let them be that way - that is no reason for me to be so intolerant - patience and acceptance will eventually win - "

Hey you said " What muslims wear is their business (in western countries)."

But see the plight of non-muslims in muslim countries -

they are forced to wear islamic dress;
they will get raped if they wear no hijab and the rapists say they say deserve it;
they will be cursed by islamic women;

Finally sheiks come to our country and say western women are meat, when kept[??] outside uncovered, muslim men will come and rape them. Pc bend-over idiots say : "Hey We should give freedom to them; We should bend and get raped; We should allow them to live; let them curse us and let us wear hijab.. "

albs,

"Are you suggesting that our society should mimic Saudi society. "

I think, in near future, We should have to follow Saudi in terms of sharia law.

"I'm in shock. That's the most unAustralian thing I've read all day. "

Me too. When sheik said that white women are meat and deserve rape for exposing their face, hands, legs etc; I got a 1000W shock . Did you?

Laurie,

"step one: They're intollerant prats step two: We don't like intollerant prats step three: We're about freedom! step four: If we're in their country we won't have freedom step five: Lets be intollerant prats TO THEM in OUR country THAT will show them how much WE ARE about FREEDOM! "

1: They're intollerant, cruel
2: We dont like them
3: We are about freedom
4: If we're in their country we won't have freedom
5: Let us not allow our freedom to be hijacked by the intollerant sheiks to spread their intollerance.

Because we are seen as MEAT and they are CATS; Expose ur face/hands/legs and they say: Glad to MEAT You

Got it

"got it"?

No tit for tat not really. You see many muslim women were outraged at the sheik's assertions too. Many muslim women don't wear the hijab and many do and women on both sides denounced his outlandish claims. Did you miss the point of Rayann's article "Let muslim women speak for themselves"? Well you're just as bad as the sheik in trying to shut women up. You're rushing in all knight in shining armour "You're oppressed by your men muslim women- that should be no more" without actually listening to them and in doing so you are acting as western oppressor.

Of course what the sheik said is ridiculous but it's hardly the point here. Rayann isn't saying that all women should wear the hijab - just that you respect her choice to do so.

got it?