Why Our Politicans Turn a Blind Eye - Part 1

Alfred W. McCoy is professor of Southeast Asian History at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. In his book, "The Politics of Heroin; CIA Complicity In The Global Drug Trade", the basic CIA modus operandi is laid out in plain view. On Lateline a few months ago, Prof McCoy pointed out that Guantanamo is in fact a node in the CIA network, ostensibly to receive the worst of the "bad guys".

Those of us who realise that the incarceration of Australia's David Hicks makes no sense, must look elsewhere for a plausible justification for the Guantanamo facility.

As a US owned "island" of lawlessness i.e. beyond the jurisdiction of US lawmakers, Guantanamo makes perfect sense if it is seen as a major node in the CIA drug network. Small wonder the Administration twists and turns in it's efforts to hang on to it's hapless "terrorists", against world opinion. The facade must be preserved at all costs.

Did you ever consider the utter idiocy of rendition flights? A whole fleet of aeroplanes burns tons of fuel carting poor patsies to and fro between "secret" prisons all over the world. Few or none of the prisoners ever end up being charged with anything. So we are asked to believe that this is the result of misguided or over-zealous intelligence agents in the "war on terror".

It is far more likely that rendition flights are actually part of the narcotics highway. We know that those flights pass through almost every country uninspected and officially "non-existent".

- and hey, if anyone gets the merest sniff of what's going on - they are hijacked by the very system that they uncovered. It's perfect!

Why Our Politicians Turn a Blind Eye - Part 2

The use of high potency drugs for currency is well known. Drugs are an extremely compact medium of exchange, tradeable pretty well anywhere for any other commodity or currency. Unlike gold, drugs are destroyed by consumption, ensuring a constant demand value. Afghan heroin is presently worth 6 times the price of gold, weight-for-weight.

The rapacious hunger for funds by the US secret service agencies long ago exceeded the limits of their bloated "black budgets". We saw this spectre emerge briefly during the Iran-Contra Affair, only to disappear again under the cloak of secrecy. The principal players retain their positions of authority to this day and there is no reason to suppose that they have not refined their craft under the amorality of the Bush Administration.

Thanks to unbridled capitalism, money has become the bloodstream of humanity, while drug currency serves as the lymphatic system. The nervous system remains dulled by propaganda, omission and political correctness.

"Only puny secrets need protection.
Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity."
--- Marshall McLuhan

Phil - send my guitar to Guantanamo -

David Hicks - hardly a suspect - I fail to see the Canadian "Arar" parallel.

David is a convert to Islam - a brutal supremacist regime, he has trained in islamic camps to become a terrorist against the west - perhaps against his own country Australia.

As far as I am concerned any convert to Islam must be submitted to the same treatment since Islam as a political ideology (like communism before them) runs contrary and against our free democracy.

Islam is not a peaceful religion. It has a definite mandate from Allah their god to invade and govern the entire world. A quick glance at history can verify this fact.

There is no such thing as moderate Muslems and extremists. These are terms invented by our politicians and our leftist media.

All Muslems are called for Jihad by Allah and their prophet - they must take part in the holy struggle against the evil west - that is against all non-muslems. If they cannot physically fight or blow themselves up in the name of Allah - they are to support those who are willing and able.

Muslem PR spokespeople condemn terrorism in general terms but always deny specific incidents as Islamic. I am yet to witness a public apology from any Australian Imam about Bali (x2) or 9/11.

Wake up everybody - Islam is here to destroy us. Can't you see it? Has anyone read a few pages of their Qur'an?

What is more terrifying is the author's stupidity in naively defending Muslems - surely he must have one or two brain cells still functioning to honestly present a fair case.

A good article Greg.

Your questions are sometimes overly broad and rhetorical but, I think, some are on the money.

I think there are two main aspects to Hicks endless confinement without trial at Guantanamo.

1. The Australian Government has said in the past that Australian laws are insufficient to have much chance of convicting Hicks. I can only deduce from that that under our laws the case against Hicks is too weak and the evidence too insubstantial.

Basically the preferred political option is to relinquish Australia's responsibility and allow a foreign government to continually manufacture legal procedures to imprison an Australian citizen. This in turn is due to alleged (but unimplemented) crimes in a yet other countries (Afghanistan and Pakistan). No wonder the Government does not want to risk the ridicule of trying Hicks here.

If it was any other country (but the US) Guantanamo would probably be deemed by Australia as legally and politically unacceptable.

2. Australia’s subservient, but hopeful, status towards the US also explains why we have put up with the Hicks situation. Australia feels so isolated and anxious about the current and future actions of Indonesia, China and now North Korea that we make every effort to stress our loyalty to our protector (the US). If true the Government should be more forthcoming about this motivation.

So oddly Hicks may be a sacrifice to the US’ legal interpretation of the War on Terror and the our fond memories(?) of the ANZUS Treaty.

Chris - Guantanamo and drugs? Maybe rendition = Air America? Stranger things have happened. You really need a blog mate. I'd comment.

Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com/

Yeah Coach, and I am still waiting for the reds to reside under my bed or the yellow peril to invade my kitchen - hopefully to cook for me.

David Hicks has been charged with guarding a tank. Actually since the US Supreme court threw out the trial and charges he hasn't been charged with anything at all. He converted to be a muslim but who did he bomb, kill or lock up? Australia locked up 4,000 refugee children and their mothers in hideous conditions with trial or charge, some of them for over 5 years. I don't remember David Hicks doing any such thing.

Now to the story of the muslims being out to get us. Do you really believe this tripe or are you telling yourself stories around the table?

It is the west that has invaded Iraq and Afghanistan even though neither country had anything to do with "terror'. Let's believe the Lancet report - 655,000 Iraqis slaughtered. That is over 200 Iraqis for every person who died in the WTC and Pentagon. Then we add in the 40 or 50,000 Afghans dead of violence - which excludes the 500,000 who have died of hunger and disease.

Israel slaughtered 1300 Lebanese and 300 Palestinians since June alone and Russia has murdered 15,000 Chechyans.

Yep those pesky muslims sure are out to get us aren't they?

I find that the dismissal of the ancient habeas corpus, the ability to torture without being charged and other new laws to be crimes against humanity and mirror what the Israelis made legal 40 years ago, and Hitler did 60 years ago to the relatives of the Israelis who made them legal.

This way lies sure madness.

Maher Arar, unlike David Hicks, protested his innocence at every stage of his treatment by the authorities. Acting in a different way, David Hicks and his family have regaled us with photos and letters which indicate that he was living an interesting life and saw no reason to lodge a protest. Where was his protest of innocence when he was photographed with the RPG7 on his shoulder? Was it a case of ‘hey, they made me do it?’ And David’s letters home have been bereft of persiflage. So earnest was the tone of his letters that I could imagine that if given the order he would probably shoot at a B747 with the flying kangaroo on the tail. Now, David Hicks is so simon pure that the day will soon dawn when we are told that, dressed in his altar boy’s costume, he was snatched on his way to church.

Just so that Mr Barns knows a precendent already exists in relation to locking people up without trial. ‘Fellow countryman’ Bruce Galea was locked up by Justice Wood for 27 months without trial. That drew no condemnation from Mr Barns. Even the activist high court judge, well known for his letter writing to newspapers on matters of human rights, had nought to say on the matter.

I don’t like the term ‘fellow countryman’ applied to D Hicks. Any person who wants to get me in his gun sights is not my ‘fellow countryman’. When he lines me up in his sights he has judged me as the enemy. I feel the same about him

Sage if you were in any place where David Hicks could possibly have had you in the sight's of a gun you had to have been in Afghanistan. If you were not in Afghanistan I would sincerely suggest you get some sort of firmer grasp on reality than you seem to have.

Hicks has protested his innocence since the day the Northern Alliance bunch of murdering thugs, gangsters, rapists and extortionists sold him to Pakistan who sold him on to the US.

All this beating up on David Hicks from some sections of the Australian media and public is deranged when the man has not done anything. Do you think it serves any purpose beyond proving your own ignorance and bigotry?

In the latest demolition of Lebanon by Israel over 100 Australian Jews joined the killing machine that is the Israeli Defence forces and were in charge in some cases. One of the spokesmen, Mark Regev, is Australian.
By contrast the Australian's who were from Lebanese descent who went for a holiday and did nothing but run away were deemed to be scum for daring to want help from our Australian government.

One Australian Jew is killed and the country goes into mourning but when one Australian Lebanese man pointed out that 9 members of his own family had been bombed to bits not one person gave him an ounce of kindness.

There is a lunacy in Australia - just because Dubya or one of the coalition of morons says something is so the public believe them.

The problem is that this government has no idea what human rights are and seem to believe they are like a handbag to be picked up and put down at will.

If either Marilyn Sheppard or Greg Barns told me that the world was a sphere that revolved around the sun,I would have it verified scientificly to make sure that they had not been tampering with the laws of physics.

If ever we fear the destruction of our democracies from within and don't recognise their inception,just observe the leftist ravings of these two.They will not address the reality of the supply of oil to the rest of the world as being a necessity.They conviently skirt around that reality and refuse to look at the benefit for the majority of the planet's population.

Yes the Bush Administration stuffed up in Iraq,but what other nation in a world of predominately totalitarian leaders is going to do a better job?A ruthless dictator like Saddham was the person to control a hate filled feral Iraq.If the US leaves now,security of world oil supplies will be in much greater doubt.It could trigger WW3 if other powerful nations were starved of fuel.With the US armed services being so taxed in the Middle East,would Australia just become collateral damage as was planned when Japan prepared to invade Australia.When there is great world instability,or confusion, many nations like China ,India and Indonesia could go on the prowl looking for ways to disperse their burgeoning populations.We ignore that reality at our peril since we with our large land mass and minute pop are prime targets.Once we are invaded nuclear weapons are usless.Neither the US or Australia have enough troops to expel a numerous,intrenched invader.

Oh dear! Sagey declares a unilateral jihad on Hicks:

"I don’t like the term ‘fellow countryman’ applied to D Hicks. Any person who wants to get me in his gun sights is not my ‘fellow countryman’. When he lines me up in his sights he has judged me as the enemy. I feel the same about him."

Ah come on, Mr/Mrs/Mz Sage. You don't really mean that.

I mean, any dinki-di Aussie would come out from behind his shield of anonymity and give Dangerous Dead-eye Dave half a sporting chance -

- not so?

Coach,

David Hicks was trained by Al Queda when it was fully funded by American taxpayers, trained to fight of the Soviets, etc. David Hicks has never actually done anything against the west. Hicks even tried to join the west to help NATO against Serbia.

That is not a traitor. The only traitor here is the government prostituting their own people for the sake of selfish politics and gullible fools like yourself for needing to believe such tripe forced down our gullets by power hunger politicians.

Arjay,
I'm delighted you've called it as it is. It's all about the oil!

Marilyn
Guarding a Tank.. repeat TANK is not 'nothing' it is participating in WAR.
His training is irrelevant. His ACTIONS at a particular time ARE relevent.
He was guarding a tank, participating in un-uniformed combat teams AGAINST the United States/Northern Alliance. He was protecting Al Qaeda operational bases/training camps in Afghanistan.
Al-Qaeda declared WAR against the West/USA in a lengthy letter from bin Laden.

Your rant against the Northern Alliance who were on their last desperate gasp of survival is illuminating. Your SILENCE about the far worse Taliban they were fighting is also.

BARNS it should be remembered is working on the defense team for 13 alleged terrorists in Melbourne. I won't take that any further as I've been censored once.

With all this waxing eloquent about 'rule of law' I wonder of Greg Barns and Marilyn were at the forefront of the attack against legislation which saved us from hundreds of thousands of Chinese regarding Australia as their new 2+ child home after some Chinese assylum seekers used the 1 Child policy as a "basis of persecution, claiming they were members of a 'particular social group" as mentioned in the UN convention.
Had the changes failed, we could have had every homosexual from Arab/Muslim countries on our doorstep within days.

So.. lets take the gloves off, and realize this is a bare knuckle fight to the cultural/social death !

I would NEVER allow myself to be shamed by the unscrupulous use of words such as 'compassion' or 'unChristian' when I know jolly well that the reason for such attacks is the very destruction of our cultural identity and national integrity.

The most 'Christian' thing we can do, is guarantee a place free of social/cultural conflict, allowing freedom of speech, freedom of association, and criticism. The one thing we cannot do as Christians, is place our faith in peoples hearts. But by golly, we can use our vote to ensure they have the CHANCE to make that choice without some hate filled ranter gathering his congregation and yelling "Death to those who insult the prophet" while they burn my Church.

"The most 'Christian' thing we can do, is guarantee a place free of social/cultural conflict, allowing freedom of speech, freedom of association, and criticism. The one thing we cannot do as Christians, is place our faith in peoples hearts."

In the context of Greg Barn's article, where does that leave us? It leaves us reliant upon the law to keep those in power in check. Which plainly isn't working. Without the rule of law, how can anyone assume freedom of speech, association etc? Already, either of us can be arrested on the suspicion a relative might be engaging in terror-related activities, kept incommunicado for a number of days, then prevented from talking about it altogether afterward.

DB et all you're quite prepared to see others suffer in the name of spurious justice, as long as it doesn't affect you personally.

Coach "Islam is not a peaceful religion. It has a definite mandate from Allah their god to invade and govern the entire world."

Can anyone here see a parallel with a particular current world leader, self-proclaimed to be ordained by god to lead the world towards democracy - via firepower ?

Amen Spider

Dear Bennie

Your question about 'parallels' is fair and reasonable. The answer though might require some relfection.

Look back through history. Start though at WW2. Hitler and Axis verses Allies and Churchill/Truman etc.. would you draw parallels simply because one used violence against the other to rid it of a horrific regime hell bent on our enslavement ?

No.. I doubt you would. We have to be honest enough to fully realize that even during such 'noble' struggles as the 2nd World War, at best it was a mixture of self preservation and vested interest. There is no point in denying that.

But while the vested interest existed, we have the freedom to protest it, and change it without being sent to concentration camps and forced labor.
Your tone is suggestive that you think we have arrived at or are nearing such a situation re Anti Terror Laws, but having looked at them, I don't believe that.

Oh.. you made a good point that if we cannot 'put' Christian faith in peoples hearts by force, (it could never be any other way) where does that leave us ?.. indeed. It leaves us at the mercy of the 'rule of law' which will be interpreted and applied by people without faith, and thus without a divine constraint on the direction of interpretation. A worrying situation for sure.

cheers mate.

The milk of human kindness overfloweth again with the wonderful paranoid D B and Arjay.

DB, in July 1997 a young woman called Ms Zhu Qing Ping was bound and gagged, put on a plane and sent by force to China after 4 years in Port Hedland without trial or charge.

Two weeks later the abortion police tracked her down, held her down, murdered her 38 week baby in her womb and threw her out on the streets to survive the best she could.

Is that what you mean when we were saved by hordes Chinese women claiming persecution under the 2nd child law? Her first child was born in jail here, she pleaded with DIMA to allow her to have her baby here and then she would go.

Not good enough for nice, compassionate Australia. Is that what you mean? We would imprison any person in Australia for killing a 38 week viable foetus. Is this acceptable because this poor woman was Chinese?

You make me fairly sick mate.

Marilyn,in case you haven't noticed we are a country of 20 million in a world of 6.5 billion.In other words for every single Australian there are over 3200 others of which many live in poverty.

How is it that we are the bleeding heart country who has a falling birth rate in real terms ,have to take responsibility for every other country's lack of discipline in the population stakes?

You are being very selective about which suffering you want to observe.You won't argue realities outside your properganda realm because it interfers with your agenda of destroying the social and economic fabric of this country.

You have just ignored my questions on who will better secure the oil for the rest of our humanity better than the US and what practical solutions do you envisage for the Middle East.All we hear from you is selected injustices in other countries with no consideration for broader solutions that will benefit billions of people and not your selection of injustices that is aimed at amplifying your importance.

If you are capable of looking at the broader power plays in the world today,tell us what you would do if you were President of the USA.

Err, Attn: Marylin Sheperd

Did you know that in the NT, they kill 17 fetusus per week. On a Thursday.

Did you know that the NT goverment has just debated making the fetocide rate higher.

Did you know that it is NOT thought to be a criminal act of the State.

There are less than 100,000 women in the NT and they committ fetocide.

There are more than 500,000,000 women in China.

Just thought youd like to know.

Arjay,

Just for the record, Japan never had plans to invade Australia.

The Allies knew this in 1942 but didn't tell anybody because the Japanese would have realised we were monitoring their radio communications.
(Why do you think Churchill was so annoyed with Curtin bringing our troops home unnecessarily).

The problem is that nobody corrected the record after the war because continuing that myth suited us better for different reasons.

Much of history, as they say "is bunk" - even the history we are living today has a deeper truth that many refuse to acknowledge.

David Hicks wrote letters to his stepmother which she handed over to the federal police, stating that he had joined the Muslims and that they had already begun their crusade to convert the world to Islam when they took a village either in Pakistan or India ,(I cant remember which) . They converted this village to Islam at the point of a gun, because the taking of this village was reported on the news at the time and they killed some of the village people whilst taking control. David Hicks thought this was a wonderful achievement in his letter.

I,m glad I didn’t have any sons fighting in Afghanistan at the time because if David Hicks was guarding an enemy tank I would class him as a danger to the safety of my sons and a traitor to Australia.

Regarding the remarks about the torture at Guantunamo Bay. What do you expect the Americans to do with enemy combatants. Sit them down and give them a nice cup of tea and lamingtons or a nice prison cell with TV and three meals a day which is more than some of the prisoners in Guantunamo Bay get in their home country. What would terrorists have to fear from being captured by the Americans? If the treatment was too good they might be lining up to be captured. Get real.

All that’s happened to them at Guantunamo Bay is a bit of humiliation by having their clothes off its hardly the same type of torture as practiced by the Arabs in Iraq lately , with bodies being found with screwdriver holes all over them. What kind of people are they??

As for Marilyn implying that the Americans have killed 655,000 people in Iraq. It’s the Sunnis and the Shiites who are doing all the killing over territorial control of Iraq now that Suddam is out of the picture.

Dear Wobbles,

You need to take your head out of the sand. When I was growing up in the fifties I saw the actual bomb crater where the Japanese just missed the only bridge over the river in Townsville. They tried to take out the bridge to stop army vehicles from crossing the bridge to gain acess to northern Australia .

I’ve heard my Grandparents talk of the whistling sound as the bomb came down and how all the windows in their house rattled and shook.


They didn’t miss the brige by that much either only a few metres.

Sharkfin,

This assessment is one of a few that were made by from Dr Pete Stanley, Principal Historian of the Australian War Memorial.

http://www.awm.gov.au/events/conference/2002/stanley_paper.pdf

Like the shell fired at Newcastle, a bomb at Townsville doesn’t quite constitute an invasion.

What everyone seems to have forgotten in this debate is that under Australian law it is illegal to detain anyone, (especially for five years) without a trial. Who knows what went on in David Hick's mind and who knows if he is guilty or not and if so, by how much?
He is an Australian and as such, no matter what anyone thinks, is entitled to a trial here in Australia under our laws. Bring him home, stand him up in court and listen to the evidence. What's so hard about that? It happens all the time, only not under the Howard Government's administration. Shame!!.

By the way, about the Japanese not wanting to invade Australia...What about the bombing of Darwin and the Battle of the Coral Sea? I was alive, listening to the radio, watching the newsreels at the theatre, reading the newspapers and talking to the returned soldiers in those days. Don't fool yourself mate. Their plans were to use us as slaves and kill us all off. Ask the Chinese if you don't believe me.

Aussies -

egalitarian one day, xenophobic the next

Wobbles,had Japan taken Papua New Guinea would they have just stopped there?Why did they bomb Darwin and send miniature subs to sink ships in Sydney.Just because there were no overt plans ,doesn't mean it won't happen.Things change very quickly in times of war.

Our affluence has made us very complacent,and really do wonder how much we can rely on the US paricularly if they become stretched by more wars in the Middle East and suffer a sever economic downturn.
It is a difficult civilian mentality today in our western democracies.People were lied to about Iraq,Vietnam was unnecessary.The Bush administration may have cried wolf too often because if a real crisis erupts,it won't have the backing of it's own people.That is my concern for our security.Perhaps we rely on the US too much or do you think we can rely on the UN?

Outside a theocracy DB the law is amoral. Which is fine - anything less and we'd end up taking the OT literally.

Gadget,

Your post suggests we're no better than the Chinese. Like Marilyn, I'd like us to walk the walk, not simply point out it could be worse.

Arjay,
Darwin was bombed because the air base was the most likely place from where to to launch a counter-offensive after the fall of Singapore.

The minisubs were hunting damaged US battleships from the battle of the Coral Sea to finish them off (that's what minisubs are used for).

There were also minisubs sighted off the coast of Gibraltar at around the same time. This was to mislead the Allies into thinking that the Japanese Navy were in the Mediterranean. Nobody has ever suggested that Japan had plans to invade Europe.

Japan was trying to sieze the oil and gas fields in South-East Asia, after their usual supplies had been cut off (The US embargo that provoked Pearl Harbour)and their main target was most likely still China.

These are some of the arguments put forward by the historian I mentioned earlier. I heard him interviewed and he had valid explanations for every point raised and it's his contention that despite exhaustive searches, no physical evidence of any invasion plan was ever found after the war - only to the contrary.

That debate was going on a few years ago and caused some heated discussion in some areas. To my knowledge it has yet to be disproven so I have an open mind about it.

I only raised the point to illustrate that much of what we are told can be inaccurate or completely wrong and that history is subject to a constant state of revisionism - depending on prevailing circumstances.

We get most of our history taught through a Hollywood lens.

Idle,don't just stop there with a few short words enticing our imagination.I'd really like to know the feeling and the reality that permeated Darwin then.

Wobbles, I missed your earlier post.

Japanese soldiers did land in the Northern Territory where they were fought by gun and fist fight by local military and farmers and maybe a few crocs. Japanese soldiers were found lost in far northern Western Australia by Aboriginal tribes who notified the authorities.

Out the Riverina of New South Wales, locals spotted small lines of Japanese soldiers walking across farming land.

In Victoria, Japanese Navy sunk both Australian and American vessels. This one comes from the mouths of those serving there but the governments refuses to allow this to be taught.

Spider,

The information I used came from one of the papers presented during a "Remembering 1942" conference held at the Australian War Memorial, by it's chief historian Dr Peter Stanley.

http://www.awm.gov.au/events/conference/2002/index.htm

It caused a minor scandal at the time and I heard the author interviewed at length on the ABC. Despite challenges from callers, he held his ground very well indeed. There were also many other points raised that don't appear in the conference paper.
I haven't heard anything about it in the media since.

I only mentioned this in response to a remark by Arjay and felt that perhaps we weren't "saved" by the USA as much as we think we were, so why are we paying off an eternal debt?

I have leaned over the years that much of what we are taught is coloured and customised for contemporary purposes and sometimes just plain wrong.

Now it's becoming more apparent that the WMD factors that led us into the Iraq war weren't due to "bad intelligence" but were the result of a deliberate campaign of misinformation from within the US Administration.

As much as it pains me to quote from him - Hitler was right when he said people would accept a big lie - no matter how outrageous - more easily than a lot of little lies.

When modern politicians do this, not only do we accept it but we reward their behaviour by re-electing them.

Hey wobbles and anyone else who cares about things not being quite as they appear.

First an opinion on why they may do it-

http://www.geocities.com/hal9000report/hal71.html

Now as an example - something about what was planned for Cuba back in 1962 (Actual declassified intelligence documents)

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

and some more background (from a reputable source) from 2002 that make todays events seem a little different.

The last paragraph can apply to our own Government as well.

http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

Do your own research - particularly on PNAC and then look at whats happened in the world since.

Dear Rache
you make some very good and accurate points. I've read some of the links, and found this to be particularly of interest.

"Such a plan (the intervention in Cuba) would enable the logical build up of incidents, to be combined with seeminly unrelated events to camouflage the ultimate objective and create the neccessary impression of Cuban rashness and irresponsibility on a large scale"

Clearly the US government is always planning for the security of its position, by extending its control over areas it perceives as a threat.

OH....MY....GOD.... SHOCK HORROR :)

The main problem with your highlighting this information, is that you represent it as something apparently unique to the USA.

Would you be equally shocked or dismayed if such plans were in existence in EVERY major government/state in the world today concerning the same types of issues. ? i.e. National Security and Expansion of Influence.

Shake shake.. poke poke...Wakey wakey (all of us)

I find myself discouraged at times at the apparent naivity of Australians. (or the deliberate selective ignorance, which would be worse)

The WORLD is only stable due to a balance of all these competing pressures.

Does anybody doubt that China has a plan to take control of every major South East Asian country, including Indonesia ? All these countries have MASSIVE Chinese ethnic populations and they control most of the economic activity ALREADY.

A comparable document in the Chinese intelligence would read like this:

"IN ORDER to justify military intervention in Country A, B, C we must create the impression of ethnic Chinese being harrased, ill treated and attacked"

Such a plan would likely include ways of FERMENTING such racial strife to justify the plan.

What holds it back ? Simple.... the PNAC...and the Nukes contained therein.
I already speak English, Chinese is tonal and hard. Given the choice of PNAC and PNCC (Chinese version of PNAC) I'd prefer the American.

BD,
I think you are missing the point here. What is evident in the Northwoods document is the fact that the USA would willingly kill innocent people (including it's own citizens) and lie to the world to achieve its objective of fermenting a war for domestic political and economic purposes.
Cuba was no threat to the USA in 1963. This was retaliation for the bloody nose it got after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Years later the USA invaded Granada on the same false premise and got away with it.
Now its in Iraq and dragged us along with it to kill people for the same phoney purposes.

Before you dismiss it, have a SERIOUS look at the PNAC documents and their real agenda.
I don't doubt that other countries use false-flag incidents but remember that we are talking about the God appointed "model of democracy" and ruler of the free world.

Behind the mask of decency there is more than a hint of evil and they are no better than most of the legitimate governments they have overthrown. All they are interested in is creating more markets for themselves and consolidating their stranglehold on the world economy and will lie and kill to achieve it without compunction.

Your China reference is also interesting, considering that the real reason behind the invasion of Afghanistan (planned years before 911) was to complete the Unacol oil pipeline and keep China from building its own pipeline from the Caspian. The US wants to control China (and the rest of the world) through its access to these resources. Remember the missile that "accidentally" hit the Chinese embassy in the Balkans during the Kosovo war? A warning shot to make them rethink their arrangement with Albania.

The US are genuinely scared of China's potential economic power and are using a preemptive strike mentality to keep it from growing too fast. Nevertheless they are in serious financial hock to the Chinese through their deficit economy.

We are now complicit in all this. Ignorance will be no excuse when the whole truth finally comes out.

Part One

It seems much is being hidden about the real state of things in Iraq, especially as certain branches of the Coptic-style Christian churches whom though having obviously got on with the Muslims have now been forced to leave. Social and political philosophers are really beginning to wonder?

Below is a brief on a deep look at the American socio-political psyche, by Dr Denis Kenny, former tutor at Harvard and Fordham universities

The United States of America has long been regarded as the most generously endowed piece of real estate on the face of this planet. It has inherited from Mother Nature, and appopriated from the Indian nations, an immense wealth of natural resources. It is the first nation in history, moreover, officially to promise its citizens a basic right to the pursuit of happiness, a promise unprecedented in the annals of previous social orders.

Why, then, since the close of the 19th century, and the closing decades of the 20th century, has the US killed and continued to kill men, women and children, and to hunger for, and plunder the resources of nearly every peoples on this planet? Why, as many US patriots have asked over the last two hundred years, have not US governments remained contentedly within their borders and not endlessly wrangled with the less endowed nations of this world?

(Maybe colonial Pax Britannica could have been accused of the same thing, Anglophonic Americana having only inherited from the Brits?)

According to Dr Kenny, perhaps more than any other culture or nation, the US is a product of a complex, configuration of memetic influences - and the role they have played in the shifting sagas of US foreign policy.

The Puritans of New England were the first to encase within a political framework not only a deep commitment to success in this world, but that such an achievement was an assurance of religous salvation.

Further, unlike the secularising tendencies of European culture, the Americans have periodically engaged in religous revivals to maintain the religous spirit of the first settlers

Part Two

Dr Kenny has two other memes, which contribute to the complex configuration of US culture and consciousness. The second and probably the most significant - Rational Enlightenment. The main early actors - Thomas Paine, Ethan Allen, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Benjamin Franklin. All were not Puritans, but Unitarians, Deists, and even outright agnostics or atheists.

The third consists of the frontier meme, but as adventurers and pirates et al, were and are still common to Western advancement, we might suggest that in the US they could have evolved from both of the main US personas.

Further, as regards the above two main US memes or personas, we might suggest we now have similar in Australia. John Howard and Peter Costello’s often published interests regarding the Hillsong Church - which does imply that different to the teachings of the early Jesus and the Sermon on the Mount, even to many modern Australians Christian success in business and politics can be an assurance for a ticket to Heaven.

Us Australians having had so much regard for America as explained in a previous Post, one wonders strongly? While some blame America’s overdone role in Vietnam, and over-reach in the Middle-East, others blame the atomic arming of Israel in the 1970s, and the subsequent increase in Arab suicide bombing. Also as social philosophers say, suicide bombing is not only related to the Islamic psyche. The Tamil Tigers hold the record by far, well over 400 cases, in fact.

Finally, as seemingly open-minded students do we need to discuss Dr Kenny’s rather discreet though obvious targetting of a US Christianity which obviously favours more the Old Testament - means to a good end - doctrine which unfortunately is all too similar to the Lutheran bishop in Nazi Germany who suggested to certain members of his desperately worried clergy, that if you do really believe in the Spirit, despite what is happening in our society, your Spirit will be cleansed after death.

The whole makes one glad that he has learnt to temper some of these worrying new Christian beliefs with Socratic Reasoning.

Adolf Hitler was correct with many things he expressed as we are seeing today. Now don't take me as some rabid supporter of Hitler for I'm not. I will however, pay him credit where I think he deserves it.

He did speak of the over influence of Jewish people and the lies they will tell. The intelligence against Iraq, Iran, etc is coming from Israel and as we have seen, it is full of deceit.

The hypocrisy of the victor's of WWII is that even though they condemn the Nazi regime for deport Jewish people to the Middle East, the Post War Establishments of Europe, UK and USA did the very same thing themselves. Ask a european nation about doing the same there and they will always refuse to have a Jewish state on Celtic/Nordic lands.

Ofcourse history at school is tainted. History is written by the victor's, not the losers which is why there is so much dishonesty about the Nazi's and the reasons behind their anti-monotheists stance.

Cardinal George Pell one such person to spread falsehoods about the Nazi's being 'anti-religion' when in reality, the Teutonic pagan's of old, were only doing what the Christian churches had been doing to them for hundreds of years.