abyss,

If I knew what the heck you were saying I'd give you a proper response ('closet-assimilationists abject their own frustrations over their state of inner contradiction onto those they call “racists”'. What does that mean? Country Gal said we should abolish interpreting and translating services, but I think you're demonstrating a continuing need.)

You declared that at heart I am 'pro assimilation', since clearly I am against genuine multiculturalism. Did God tell you? I didn't. Or is it your dearest wish that I should be, and therefore I am, in your head?

Then you label me selfish, but I'm not sure whether that's because you say I am am pro-multiculturalism or anti-multiculturalism. Can you tell me again what I am please? And why that makes me selfish?

You ask me: 'Would you tolerate 1.5% of the Australian national population subsribing to the Nazism (modest compared to Sharia law), let alone 90% of a certain suburb?' My answer is yes to the first percentage but I reckon I'd be looking for a transfer if it got to the second percentage, wouldn't you?

You ask: "Does this...betray that you have something to hide, something you’d rather not admit to yourself?" Go on, be brave in the face of my cowardice; let me into my deep-surface secret: tell me what abyssmal secret I'm hiding. Pretty please! I won't sleep until you do.

Inkeemagee2

If you walk through the grave yard of civilizations you will find one thing in common. They were all brought down by other cultures.

Saying that the legacy my family has left me means nothing is an absurd statement. What you are saying is that some bloke who just got off the boat and cant speak a word of English even though he is now an Australian citizen, thinks Australia is between Argentina and Finland on a map and that the native language is French cares as much for this nation as I do? What a silly thing to say inkee my friend. I have roots hear it may mean nothing to you but it means the world to me. For me the big brown land is the be all and end all!
Were you born in Australia inkee?

Families like mine DID make this country. Families like mine bled for this country and died for it! Families like mine are the backbone of this country, the fabric, they hold this country together. If it were not for families like mine all the refugee’s who come hear fleeing from violence would be at each other again in no time and they would be back to square one.

If Australia went up the infamous creek that many of the countries these so called “new Australians” come from, they would be on the first boat out hear demanding to be let into some other western country that’s how Australian they are!

Easy Times,
" some bloke who just got off the boat and cant speak a word of English even though he is now an Australian citizen, thinks Australia is between Argentina and Finland on a map and that the native language is French?"

What you have just described is an American tourist, not the vast majority of immigrants.

I think your views on immigrants, and indeed the rise and fall of civilisations may be a little ill formed. If you've got the time, check out Jared Diamond's excellent books "Guns, Germs and Steel" and "Collapse". Although I agree with your statement that cultures are brought down by other cultures in the context of Australia's indigenous population.

Abyss,

I think you may have been reading too much Ann Coulter. The 1.5% of Australian who are Muslim (actually, its probably more than that now) are not all collectively baying for Sharia law and dog free cabs. The vast majority are law abiding, decent citizens who pay their taxes, go to work and enjoy a BBQ. Just like the majority of Australians of white heritage.

You mention Sheikh Al Hilialy as typical Muslim. Despite the fact the man has never called for Sharia law to be implemented in Australia, I seriously disagree with many of his stances. So do many in the Musllim community. This includes Victoria's muslim council, that refuses to recognise his status as mufti, and many in the Turkish muslim community.

When you speak about the Australian Muslim community in such a way, it is quite insulting the vast majority of Australia's peaceful muslims who are exercising their right to freedom of religion

This debate as shifted to farcical levels now. I very disappointed with you all

FrankGol,

FrankGol states that he wouldn't have a problem with 1.5% of Nazi's, but would if it got to 90%.

For a start, I don't believe you, as why should anyone tolerate such oppressive, exclusionary policy such as Nazism (which is mild compared to Sharia)?

I suspect you only admitted to this because you were backed into a corner and knew that if you answered no your argument would be shown for what it is, weakness.

Do you agree that Sharia is barbaric? If so, why would you not have a problem if only 1.5% of population supported it (by spreading this number out over the whole population belies either your naivety, or dishonesty, as you know that Muslims are xenophobic and mostly live in the same community (don't want to mix in) so this 1.5% would be solely in a few suburbs in Melbourne and Sydney.

What does this mean for non-Muslims there? That women who are unveiled will be looked at as a slut, called a slut? perhaps even raped by these pious types?

Couldn't blame such women for being fearful given the comments by Muslim leaders about women over the years, most notably the vile Sheik Feiz who said unveiled women who are raped deserve it.

Do you remember the outcry from the Muslim community at this? Any protest of his mosque? No, of course not.

Not six months later this bigot was invited, on behalf of Australia's Muslims, to speak at the prestigious Dawa International Islamic conference, held in Sydney.

Why is he still a Sheik? Why is Hilali still there? Or Sheik Fehmi in Melbourne, who said he couldn't denounce Bin Laden because he doesn't personally know him.

He denounced the Pope only last month for his accurate quote about Islam, about Mohammed being violent. Do you know much about Mohammed?

ChrisC

How can you say the bigot Hilali, who called the 9/11 act "God's work" isn't a typical Muslim?

If so, why haven't Muslims protested out the front of his mosque to have him removed? They certainly know how to protest and complain don't they, write letters - as they did year in year out to have Nativity scene banned from Bankstown Plaza, and petition signatures.

How long do you think a Christian, or even secular leader would get away with a comment like that, or all the other vile bile he has spewed up over the years?

Most Australians would take their silence, which has occurred countless times after bigoted comments by their leaders, their silence on the race-hate books freely available in their Islamic bookstores, the silence on dobbing in those coward terrorists who bashed, stabbed, and threaten to pack rape, whites at Cronulla, as well as numerous other examples, as fact that they support Hilali's comments.

How can you not see this?

Steve Madden “Col Rouge the LIAR who thinks intelligent debate is to cut and paste someone’s comments and append a snide comment (Been doing it for years Col how about some constructive comments?)”

Now that is constructive Steve, accusing others of your own low habits which, in your case, substitute for “standards”.

When you can identify where I have lied I will be able to correct your deluded sub-intellect, until then I am happy to observe, on the post you first made that accusation, someone else has already disclaimed your statement in an attempt at rectifying your malignant accusation.

The sad thing is, being born a troll means there is little hope for you to ever growing into anything better than a troll.

SKahn “The likes of you (Col Rouge and company) are stuck at the darkest bend of your own little abyss and don’t represent the mainstream Australia I know.”

Well speaking for the silent majority, I guess all I can say is, you do not know many of us in “mainstream Australia”. If I were you, I would get out more, mix with “real Australians” instead of sequestering yourself in your own ghetto and pretending that Real Australians do not exist.

As I said before, Assimilate of face extinction, to me, whichever one you choose, it makes no difference because, either way, the outcome is the same and it quite suits me.