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A Real Test of Diversity : Comments

By Saeed Khan, published 5/10/2006

Rather than leading the way towards a better future, opponents of multiculturalism are taking us back a century

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BOAZ DAVID , With the criticsm of noseys post What you fail to recognise and give sufficient weight to is the level of racism felt by Aboriginal Australians [in varying degrees] .
Yours and others "GET OVER IT" attitude does nothing,repeat nothing to heal the trauma of disposssion and often targeted abuse for 200 hundred years.
Aboriginal Australians do intermarry when they want to and are basically not racist to others when they receive respect.
However the Federal government's attitude, eg . Tony Abbott's desire to LIMIT the necessary time spent passing on an ORAL Culture to suit Centrelink programmes [Genocide by Steath], giving lip service to addressing the disgracefull problems of Aboriginal health ,does nothing to ease the frustration of not being genuinely recognised as the only really "Australian" culture and one we should be proud of and enjoy.
If you don't like Aboriginal attitudes do some work and change the mind-set .
I'd like to see that !
Posted by kartiya jim, Monday, 23 October 2006 8:45:06 AM
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Hi Kartiya.. please...I'm not quite at the 'GET OVER IT' point regarding Aboriginals. Though I'd say it with that much passion to non Aboriginals.

I fully realize that the dispossession issue is a big one. But honestly, do you see any answer to it other than
a) Re-possesion
or
b) Assimilation

I did not mean to sound critical of Nosy's post.. I was simply making an observation. My sympathies are with him.

The dispossession issue, and the awful things done to Aboriginals.. are in fact no worse than done to my own ancestors. They were dispossessed from the highlands of Scotland to provide sheep grazing pasture. It is not a unique thing to Aboriginal Australians mate.

The problem is.. once you are disposessed.. game over.. its a done deal... there are only 2 real options..

1/ Fight to get it back. (and I mean all out war)
2/ Accept it, move on and embrace the new and become part of it.

No-one likes being deprived of their cultural or territorial heritage...no one. Most wars were fought for that very reason.
But in every case... and I mean every... they faced the 2 choices above.

Lets be very honest here, the desire to 'remain aboriginal' is pretty close to racist, as it suggests there is something superior about Aboriginality compared to Anglo Saxon life.
While some Anglos would feel 'superior' to Aboriginals, that does not make them so. The truth is, we are just different, but equal in God's sight.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 26 October 2006 8:33:29 PM
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Boaz_David , Re-posession through the courts is the best way to go -free from political bias hopefully .
A Treaty, and compensation as has occurred in Tasmania is the way to show leadership and move the process forward .It is not rocket science .Paul Lennon is to be congratulated for his statesmanship.
Unfortunately Howard lacks leadership and seems fearfull of a free and open process of Reconciliation, particually if it includes compensation . There is just to much flak from his racist mates the Nationals [goaded by the pastoralist organisations].He insists on taking the rocky road .
However ,Agreements by miners and Aboriginal people are also showing the way forward and will be slowly but surely changing the way "business" is done .Be a bit more optimistic B_D.and keep waving your Aboriginal flag .
Posted by kartiya jim, Friday, 27 October 2006 11:58:27 PM
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SKhan,

Are you Saeed Khan, author of the article?

I notice you have challenged 'misguided assimilationists' (your term) on the development of Australia’s multicultural policies, even Australian history!!

I hope it is fair of me to challenge you as well.

Please answer a simple question of mine:-

In what way does the Islamic culture embraces multiculturism ?
Posted by GZ Tan, Friday, 3 November 2006 11:31:51 PM
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BOAZ_David, when you write: "...the desire to 'remain aboriginal' is pretty close to racist, as it suggests there is something superior about Aboriginality compared to Anglo Saxon life", I feel so sad for you. You really aren't thinking straight at all.

Re-write your sentence again but just change the word order e.g. "...the desire to 'remain Anglo Saxon' is pretty close to racist, as it suggests there is something superior about Anglo Saxons compared to Aboriginal life", then ask yourself whether that is also 'pretty close to racist'. Or is it OK for Anglo Saxons to have double standards?

I'm sorry if this sounds patronising (I know you wouldn't dream of being patronising to non-Anglo Saxons David) but it may not be too late for you to take a simple course in clear thinking; but you might need something else as well.
Posted by FrankGol, Saturday, 4 November 2006 12:09:48 AM
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“The opponents of multiculturism are taking us back a century”.

It would actually be more accurate to say that the supporters of multiculturism are making the same mistake that has fuelled all the bloodshed throughout history.
Wars are always between tribes over territory(ethnic cleansing) .

I cant understand the logic when people say we should learn the lesson from what happened in Germany and so put different tribes together in one country. I should have thought that the lesson we should have learnt from what happened in Germany was NOT to put two tribes together in one country.

Anyway you cant take mankind back a century when it comes to wars. This presupposes that man is not the same species he always was. That he has somehow changed. If when you are watching some documentary on television of some past wars from centuries gone by, don’t make the mistake of thinking that was back then and its not like that any more. Mankind still needs land and resources to survive.

The modern day equivalent of the Spanish Armarda , not necessarily ships, could still rock up on anyones doorstep today, if some country thought they had the muscle and the superior weaponry to take your country. What we see in those old Viking and William the Conqueror documentaries is still very real in todays world.

It really is colossal conceit of these left wing academics to think that they are so intelligent that they have made their idea of utopia- all the tribes holding hands singing “combyere Mylord” and loving each other a reality. They fail to realize it is just a grand idea in their minds.

Tribal intermarriage is the only thing that will ensure peace in this country in the coming centuries now.
Posted by sharkfin, Saturday, 4 November 2006 4:22:14 AM
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