Dear Abyss,

I respect the fact that you didn’t deny your ‘supremist’ ideals.

Occidental meaning of the occident (West), I would have thought the meaning of Occidentalism was quite obvious…and fitting to your narrow views in this debate while you are attacking multiculturalism.

Well said, FrankGol, I agree with you.

This is the main reason I have not been taking part in this discussion.

I tried to take part in a discussion on another thread about a similar topic but found the atmosphere extremely hostile- not much different from this thread.
When I read some of the posts on here, I was appalled once more.

This could have been an interesting discussion in where people could have shown different points of view without the hostility and unwillingness of a few posters to even look at other viewpoints.

They might as well join a monologue forum.

Well frank are you aware that the definition of Multiculti has changed 3 times since it's original inception? No?

Are you also aware that most people do not know what the current definition is even those you seem to be sticking up for? Are you aware that living in an enclave enables one to not have to adopt those very things you quoted. Are you aware that the values mentioned happen to be the AUSTRALIAN ones you deny people have to adhere to due to their cultural differences. Are you aware you are living in denial frank?

You spend too much time telling everyone else they are wrong and telling us what is so good about Multiculti. I'm still waiting after several posts.

So we have a problem here. The problem is that in this so called democracy no one specifically asked if the voters, who would have to eventually fund the beast and whose lives may be affected by it, were asked if they consented to 'multiculturalism'.

The additional problem is that so much appears to have been done in the name of multiculturalism that no one knows what it really is. Fine phrases from various organisations and academics who have a vested interest in seeing multiculturalism succeed only cause the BS meters of much of the population to glow red.

Another problem is that so many of the incoming groups have claimed that Australia did not have a culture before these cultural groups arrived.

For all the apologists for multiculturalism, please ask yourselves how you would feel if you were told that your 'culture' either did not exist or was so worthless that it required an influx of cultures from other places to give it value?

Then those of the host culture are told to accept Sharia law, or similar constructs for other cultural groups. That is, to say that the law that we know, that has enabled this society to prosper and evolve, is worthless in the face of other cultures.

Yes, those 1.5% of the population who are of Islamic background have asked for Sharia law to be enshrined in the Australian legal system.

Then ask the old man, who has lived in his home in Lakemba for 50 years, how he feels about the pressure being brought upon him to sell his house, just so that the rest of the street bought out by an imported cultural group can close the street for Friday prayers.

If multiculturalism, at the level of the street, at the level of the magistrates court, at the level of the beach, was so success then no one would have cause to complain in any way.

You have to ask yourself why multiculturalism is opposed by so many people.

S Khan,

so typical that in your responses to the arguments put forward by abyss, and that you made no attempt in answering, cut deep.

For deep down, anyone who champions a policy of selective difference and intolerance of a universal set of morals (as multiculturalism does) is in essence, the very definition of a bigot.

How dare you not see the obvious failures of multiculturalism, particularly related to third world cultures brought out on mass?

How dare you not give a damn about the countless white Australian youth that suffer racially motivated bashings out in Sydney's west?

How dare you, as a member of a "tribe", which is all those adhering to multiculturalist viewpoints represent, call us intolerant, those who have invited hundreds of cultures to live here successfully, without imposing 'dhimmi' status, or second class status as do all non-western cultures.

Isn't it funny that every migrant I know would never tolerate the idea of their "homeland", their "real country" (Australia is just a bank to many of these xenophobic hicks) being multicultural.

What do you think this says?

You comment about no one knowing what Australian values are, betraying your racism towards whites, because, unlike the tribalistic spiritual materialism that most cultures practice (i.e, praying five times a day, not eating pork, fasting, wearing specific cloth, as opposed to the western European tradition of critical thought, effectively crushing pointless ritual) you can't pinpoint our dress, our music, our food, can you...

All we want from other cultures is their food, as in reality they have nothing to offer in the way of morality. What substance do non-western cultures have?

You claim western music comes from black slaves, yet if so, why not any music from black slaves in Islamic nations?

Any Beethoven's in the non-west? Why? Mabye because they aren't open and don't nurture creativity, just cover it with a bedsheet?

And you dare tell us to accept racist cultures in the guise of multiculturalism?

Australians are sick of all the rednecks we've imported from the third world. Sick of our kids being bashed by middle-eastern gangs for being white.

How do you not see? Whites don't hang out in packs of 30, no group mentality, we are individuals.

You are so materialistic you think that the west has nothing, the west is a process of constant transformation, but we've lost that in the past few decades because the true racists, the supremacist left, don't see you as equals.

You can't be criticised for your the ethnic other!

You can argue all you like but the universal principles of human rights trump any specific cultural set of rules, traditions, and other irrational belief.

Any morality that isn't arrived at through reason is irrelevant, which is why, although your kind can't stand it, you are all becoming more western by the day.

You travelled the world to live here for crying out loud, it is obvious that the values we hold now are better, just as they are better than the way Europeans used to live.

Get over your racism, your tribe. You are a member of the human race first and foremost.

The sad thing is, only western cultures truly consider all peoples equal beings, women aren't to be covered with bedsheets here, as that is an irrational, decadent practice.

In time, multiculturalism will be seen as the policy put forward by supremacist leftist ideologues as a means of stifling debate into the inherent racism of the non-west, for in all honesty, when one looks at such societies, one can truly understand why the Spanish, British and French explorers considered them all savages.

Your holding on to a carcass if you believe multiculturalism isn't dead.

But if you truly believe in it, then your ill for it offers nothing but a protection of rednecks who hide behind irrational tradition.

Critical thought, reason, isn't only a western concept you know, it can be applied to others.