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Where it is a criminal offence to convert to Christianity ... : Comments

By George Thomas, published 23/10/2006

Hindu extremists have passed anti-conversion laws in some Indian states - more are set to follow.

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The hindu epic Ramayana has an episode in which the mythical hero Rama kills Shambuka because he is from the lower caste who attempts to do penance.

Dravidians were described by rama and his followers as “Vanaras” - monkeys and bears just because they were dark skinned. This is the worst form of casteism and racism described in ancient hindu literature.There can be no greater insult. Leaving his wife because a lower caste man cast aspersions on her proves how free Rama was from bias. Infact in the stroy of shambuka he comes across as the violent enforcer of the racist caste system.

Even Mahabaratha has an instance of Ekalavya being shunned by Dronacharya because he came from a lower caste (the official explanation is he was not a Kshatriya). Later Arjuna even pleads with Drona to put an end to Ekalavya’s mastery as he had to be the greatest archer in the world.

From Tamil history, from stanzas of poems I’ve actually read: Pouring molten lead into the ears of Bhuddists and Jains - around 3rd century. Throwing Hindus into vats of lime (chunam) to shrivel to death - 11th century. Razing Bhuddist viharas to the ground to build Hindu Temples and forcibly infusing Hindu culture into South East Asia - 11th century Cholas. I do think that is inquisition style. Forget about all that Saivites and Vaishnavites considered each other opposing religions (their words, not mine) and imprisoned and killed each other.

Buddhists were persecuted and driven out of india during 300-900 AD, this is a well documented fact. India was dominated by Hinduism most of the time with no significant minorities. Even in these circumstances people within Hinduism such as lower castes were and are being oppressed since centuries. So much for the tolerance of Hinduism. As for persecution of minorities today u dont have to go farther than Narendra Modi and his rightwing hindu government who butchered muslims.

Regards the myth of hindu science and other hindu illusions espoused by the hindu righ wing check out this article and google for more. http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=46
Posted by Arvind, Saturday, 11 November 2006 9:10:18 AM
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Arvind:Your retarded neurons have blabbered on multiple issues.Lets analyze them:
1)About Vedic era Science and Mathematics:
As usual your retarded neuronic instinct has cited propaganda web site .The fact of Vedic era contribution in Mathematics and Astronomy is
accepted by scientific communities and proven with manuscripts available.So keep your low neuronic instinct to rest in this regard.
2)Diatribe against Hindu Religious texts:
First of all,I have no intention of turning the debate on Hindu religion vs others etc and claiming superiority by citing religious texts.
Believe me, it is damn easy to point out satanic verses from Bible/Koran .I have no intention of doing that.But I would surely reply to flaws in your argument about religions texts you mentioned in separate post.
3)Diatribe against Hindus for "Persecution of Buddhists"[?]
Your retarded neuronic comment that Buddhists were Persecuted by Hindus is absurd and a lie.As usual you might have read those from propaganda web site and not from authentic source.Your history neuronic IQ is weak and poor.Buddhism was originated and nurtured in India by Hindu King Siddhartha[Later Buddha] who is regarded by Hindus as an avatar of Vishnu.Nowhere in history of India and never in minds of Hindus would Buddhists be presecuted.India has even given shelter to Dalai Lama and reserved a separate city for persecuted Buddhists of China.
Buddhism flourished in India and abroad under Ashoka and subsequent kingdoms until about 500 AD .Until 500 AD India had a great civilization with special emphasis on science and mathematics.The period 500-1949 was of Islamic and later Christian invasions and conversions.Most of Buddhists Kingdoms due to the policy of Ahimsa did not believe in war and whole kingdom were forcefully converted by Islamic invaders. Even great Buddhist Dr. Ambedkar said, "there can be no doubt that the fall of Buddhism was due to the invasions of the Muslims.".The authentic source on web is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Buddhists#Persecution_in_India .So increase IQ of your retarded neurons instead of blabbering.
More for your retarded neurons :
http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/pic1/list.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ab/jumma/religion.html
Posted by lochinvar2006, Saturday, 11 November 2006 2:54:34 PM
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First and foremost your retarded neurons need to understand that Hinduism does not subscribe to be controlled by any centralized authority like Pope/Imam , bind to any specific religions texts, nor does has a founder proving that it is highly democratic in nature in one sense. Hindu society is open to criticism and corrective measures for human society that is why you see/saw reform activities from time to time in its history.

While Ramayana[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramayana] and Mahabharata[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata] are though great story epics but again they are not religiously binding "guidelines" like Bible/koran.They just depict idealistic and realistic philosophy respectively.Similarily,BhagvatGita [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gita]though is more close to Hinduism core philosophy but even that is not recognized as centralized text.Again Hindus also have much older texts-Vedas which are compiled over thousands of years covering wide range from philosophies, realities and truths about life[Rig-Veda],even Economics as in Artharva Veda [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veda#The_Artharva-Veda] and later Ayurveda[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda], Yoga[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoga] and even Kamasutra[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_Sutra] proving that Hindu society was much more open before Islamic invasions!!
Even after having such rich treasures ob philosophies, Hindu texts are not considered binding in nature t followers nor they are closed to new concepts.The texts never despise anywhere non believers to be going to Hell and follow the "Brahman" concept.They are open to be adapted to news ways whatever proves beneficial to society prevailing at that time.
Somewhere u said :"...because a lower caste man cast aspersions.."
-->Ravan was not from lower caste..He was Brahmin.
In Mahabharata,the incident of Eklavya is regarded as unfortunate and Drona inspires great debates about morality and dharma in the Mahabharata epic.

IMHO,Mahabharata[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata] is an interesting epic to read as novel.The Mahabharata's scope and grandeur is best summarized by one quotation from the beginning of its first parva (section): "What is found here, may be found elsewhere. What is not found here, will not be found elsewhere." This quotation rightly sums up Mahabharata, within which one finds myriads of relationships, stories and events which still have relevance.
I sincerely believe if Hollywood makes a movie on Mahabharat on the lines of Lord of the Rings ,it would be a DEFINITE BLOCKBUSTER.
Posted by lochinvar2006, Saturday, 11 November 2006 5:55:48 PM
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the hindus have no right to make
christians suffer
just becuz they believe in somethin
they dont
and where do they get the guts
to do things like that and actually
wanna shout out loud that they did it
its like nobody cares about christians anymore
nobody aint diong nothin to stop
the heartache the hindus are causing
and they are actually some hindus who
want to convert so why let christian suffer
for somethin the hindus wanna do
thats just not right
and the hindus cant prove that god dont
exist so they shouldnt get mad
becuz christians believe that god exist
the whole thin is pointless
if hindus wanna convert fine let them convert
but dont take it out on the
christians
take it out on ur own party
the hindus
Posted by blaze_101, Monday, 13 November 2006 10:13:25 AM
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First of all i want to inform all the readers reading the article that if the conversion goes on we the people of india will loose our culture.We were vegetarians but it was they who made us non veg and the biggest fault in hinduism is that we are not teaching what is there in gita or in guru granth sahib to our children .hindus them self dont know what hinduism means .it accepts every thing and every god .we are not idol worshipers in the begining we need idols but later it will help u to find the god in the idol .If we post a letter in a post boxt it will go to the destination where it has to go .We believe in christ as we believe in krishna and mother kali .Does the christians worship krishna they convert the mind of poor people by giving them food and job .If it goes on the the heritage and treasure of our country will get lost . The various gods and goddess in hinduism is the just reflection our very self the god in ourself .All the christian are dying for the christ iunderstanding the essence of the bible .Swami vivekanada sais " if u want to become a good christians they should become a hindu first ".Study the life of ramakrishna who saw jesus ,mahavir and other god in mother kali .Can the christians see christ like that in each and every being .They even dont feel pity for cows and poor chickenn .They say it is ment to b eaten .Think if animals speak in human tongue they will say one word "please can u allow us to live".
The real essence of upanishad and vedas are to see the real god in each and every being and self .To see christ or buddha or kali in each and every being .
The people of india Raise DONT THINK THIS A SIMPLE ISSUE U HAVE TO MAKE A BETTER WORLD OF SPIRITUALITY FOR OUR CHILDREN.
om namashivaya( i bow the devine in each and every one)
Posted by GURU, Friday, 23 February 2007 1:48:09 AM
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If the authors comments are true then the situation he describes represent a sad state of affairs.

We have people within our own society advocating a similar approach, at least one (possibly more who post on this site {and thread}).

On a thread regarding David Hicks we recently had the following comments which were more about his choice of faith than his actions in combat

"As far as I am concerned, Hicks is no longer an Australian citizen. He has abdicated that right when he became a Muslim and joined the enemies of Australia... by choice."

"They find no harm in David’s actions like memorizing the Qur’an and subjecting himself to the evil teachings of Islam..."

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=5527#71385

A suggestion that choosing a particular faith should disqualify someone from Australian Citizenship.

Of course the freedom loving christains resoundingly corrected that poster down for his stance (OK I'm still waiting for that but I'm sure it will soooooooooooon).

Didn't someone once say something about "He who is without sin"?
Have not some of our resident christains complained because muslims are not real obvious for publicly speaking out against other muslims who promote extreme views?

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 23 February 2007 9:06:51 AM
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