Irfan’s ‘excuse to wage a cultural revolutionary war which seeks to replace decades of liberal democratic consensus ….’, sidesteps the fact that those mere decades of mushy, dangerous and wet liberal introduction – without consensus – of multiculturalism resulted from ‘Soviet-style’ social engineering and manipulation.

The piddling few decades of what we have been suffering is the real aberration – the overturning of millennia of natural distribution of cultures.

‘Will the complete integration of all minority groups ensure security risks are minimised?’ asks Irfan. This is a strange question from someone who doesn’t believe in integration; one who knows full well that the whole idea of multiculturalism is the antithesis of integration; one who knows that people from different cultures are encouraged not to integrate, and refuse to integrate.

There is some truth in Irfan’s criticism of a belief in a ‘monolithic’ Islamic culture in so far as not all Muslims are necessarily a security threat. But all Muslims have the one Koran, and for anyone to say that the Koran doesn’t deal with death, darkness, hatred and revenge is just plain silly. Until Muslims stop denying the really nasty bits about Islam, and just keep repeating that Islam means love, they will continue to make fools of themselves and not be taken seriously.

Yes. There is the Christian Old Testament. But Christians, unlike Muslims, have adapted to modern times, and we haven’t noticed too many Christian terrorists around lately.

For someone who, rightly, often points out that many different cultures adhere to Islam, Irfan seems to drop the ball in his 9th paragraph: ‘if culture and terror were related’. There are many different cultures in Australia in the ethnic sense. The only people alleged to have plotted terrorist acts in Australia, the only people who make lots of noise as ‘victims’ of terrorist legislation, are Muslims. More blurring of the culture/religion issue, as are references to the ‘Muslim community’.

Only when all people here see and project themselves as Australians first and keep their religions to themselves, will any progress be made

I’m glad you mentioned values Irfan because they can be the basis to unite rather than form a collision of differing beliefs. John Howard is probably quite narrow in his understanding of foreign culture – for you to be politically astute, however, you must realise he presents the view of many, if not, most Australians. It’s probably a little poor in the PR department to show little understanding of a democratically elected leader in one’s host country. He’s not necessarily a popular politician but more a ‘safe’ one.

Political correctness states we should be multi-cultural - what it doesn’t state are the underlying values or more importantly the structures that ensure it isn’t merely a pipe dream. It certainly doesn’t come about by ‘dumping’ people of varying beliefs and background together. As with intermarriage, it’s often not natural to tradition – but quite achievable and normal in a secular state.

I believe Australia does have the cultural maturity and innate values to absorb differing cultures – including Islam. We are both generally egalitarian in view (or theory), not always so in practice. As you state, a generation previous to you were more suppressive of women. Your change of view or attitude is co-incidental to our long acquired Australian values – which can either be eroded or reinforced. We must ensure our values, whether adopted or otherwise, are not merely skin-deep

Again in true Irfan style all are to blame but the culprits themselves.

Comparing Islam terrorism to other universal acts of terror does not bring any solace tothe fact that 9/11 was a Muslem plot orchestrated and financed by the militant Muslems of the world.

The fact that Irfan does not condemn islamic terrorism speaks louder than his attempts to shift the buck to the PM, his treasurer, multiculturalism, marxism, the cold war, the Armenians, the Catholics,... well anyone and anything but the source of Islamic terror which is Islam itself.

Islam as a religion evolved from the inability of its founder and self-proclaimed prophet to adapt in his social environment. Intolerance to any other religion, creed, race, even the female gender, found their way into what has become the unchaegable word of Allah.

If Irfan is fair dinkum about Islamic cultural integration - apart from a prior miraculous intervention from the real God that may convert all muslems out of islam - he better show us how he intends to change the very heart of his religious creeds of flagrant intensions for world domination...?

"We have sent down the Qur'an to confirm and as a safeguard to previous scritures (bible)..." Q 5:52

"Islam is to prevail over all religions..." holy Qur'an 9:33

With such assurances from the Qur'an who needs attackers?

Islamic attrocities are in accord with the teaching of their Qur'an, their god Allah, their prophet, and their teachers (Imams).

In the Qur'an, to be a terrorist is part and parcel of beeing a good muslem. To be peaceful is equivalent to weakness and cowardness.

Who needs to quote the Koran, when simply quoting Muslim leaders who live in the West or a look at Muslim survey results is sufficient to show that a large proportion of Muslims resist integration and pursue fascistic Islamist dreams.

from "Why We Cannot Rely on Moderate Muslims", an essay by Fjordman:
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&sid=433&file=article&pageid=1

* Omar Ahmad, the long-serving chairman of CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, reportedly told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran ... should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

* a survey revealed that 81% of Detroit Muslims wanted sharia in Muslim countries. Yehudit Barsky, an expert on terrorism at the American Jewish Committee, warned that mainstream US Muslim organizations are heavily influenced by Saudi-funded extremists. These “extremist organizations continue to claim the mantle of leadership” over American Islam. Over 80 percent of the mosques in the United States “have been radicalized by Saudi money and influence,” Barsky said.

* The northern Virginia-based Muslim Students’ Association (MSA) might easily be taken for a benign student religious group. At a meeting in Queensborough Community College in New York in March 2003, a guest speaker named Faheed declared, “We reject the U.N., reject America, reject all law and order. Don’t lobby Congress or protest because we don’t recognize Congress. The only relationship you should have with America is to topple it ... Eventually there will be a Muslim in the White House dictating the laws of Shariah.”

* Imam Siraj Wahaj, who In 1991, he even became the first Muslim to give an invocation to the U.S. Congress also warned that the United States will fall unless it “accepts the Islamic agenda.” He has lamented that “if only Muslims were clever politically, they could take over the United States and replace its constitutional government with a caliphate.”

* Muslim Ambassadors to the Czech Republic from Arab nations and members of the Czech Muslim community were outraged by a documentary aired on ÄŒTV

that used hidden camera footage of conversations in a Prague mosque. The footage showed a reporter pretending to be someone interested in converting to Islam. One of members of the mosque said Islamic law should be implemented in the Czech Republic, including the death penalty for adultery. “The result was alarming, and if not for the hidden camera, I would have never had any of this footage,” the journalist said.

* An Arabic-speaking journalist had on several occasions visited a large mosque in Stockholm, and noticed that what the imam said in his speech in Arabic didn’t match the Swedish translation. “America rapes Islam,” imam Hassan Mousa roared in Arabic. Minutes later the Swedish translation was ready. Not a word on how America was raping Islam.

* Norway’s most controversial refugee, Mullah Krekar, has said in public that there’s a war going on between the West and Islam, and that Islam will win. “We’re the ones who will change you,” Krekar told. “Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes.” “Every Western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries is producing 3.5 children. By 2050, 30 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim.” He claimed that “our way of thinking... will prove more powerful than yours.” He loosely defined “Western thinking” as formed by the values held by leaders of western or non-Islamic nations. Its “materialism, egoism and wildness” has altered Christianity, Krekar claimed.

*In The Force of Reason, Italian journalist and novelist Oriana Fallaci recalls how, in 1972, she interviewed the Palestinian terrorist George Habash, who told her that the Palestinian problem was about far more than Israel. The Arab goal was to wage war “against Europe and America” and to ensure that henceforth “there would be no peace for the West.” The Arabs, he informed her, would “advance step by step. Millimeter by millimeter. Year after year. Decade after decade. Determined, stubborn, patient. This is our strategy. A strategy that we shall expand throughout the whole planet.”

I have read Irfan's post several times and I can only come to the conclusion that the trouble with Muslims in Australia is that they constantly draw attention to their tantrums so indicative of small children demanding, demanding.
Why does no week go by that there is not some misdeed,some complaint by or against Muslims, no other culture here makes as much fuss or claims as do the Muslims.
Truth is that most Australians are heartily fed up with these poor type immigrants.
Maybe there has been Muslim immigration before but we never had such a malcontented lot before. Those who arrived earlier just got on with it, now everytime two Muslims get together ,there goes another Association to demand new privileges.
Give it a rest.