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Waging a cultural revolutionary war : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 11/9/2006

Terrorism is hardly a mono-cultural affair, either in Australia or elsewhere.

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Here are few words, from two very different people, which could sum up the problems for Muslims in Australia:

‘THE founder of Australian mobile phone giant Crazy John's has attacked "self-appointed" Muslim leaders, accusing them of destroying his community's progress, and questioning their allegiance to this country.’

‘John Ilhan, one of the nation's most successful Muslims, yesterday blamed many first-generation community members for being opposed to Western ideals and cultural diversity, and accused them of "conditioning" their children to follow in their footsteps.’

The 41-year-old entrepreneur, who at the age of five migrated to Australia from Turkey with his parents, said he often distanced himself from community politics because he found the "older folk" difficult to deal with.
"I've always known that what we've lacked in Australia is leadership in our community and that's why I don't get involved much with them, because (their) egos tend to get in the way," Mr Ilhan said.
"Australia is a very diverse country and the problem with Muslims in this country, most of them, especially the old folk, is they don't believe in diversity. They say (they do) but they actually don't get involved (in wider community activities)." (The Australian, 24/8/06)

And:

‘“Here, as in Britain and the US, Muslim organisations have deliberately installed themselves as permanent aliens and adapted a culture of constant carping about the majority, from whom they maintain their isolation with such bitter determination.” (Piers Ackerman 3/9/06)
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 11 September 2006 4:17:18 PM
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This article seems to be in the same vein as the mantra that we hear so often that Muslims are being profiled in security matters.
Of course they are !
Would you have the security people
spend all or equal time following up Eskimos ?

In this period the major terrorists are moslems.
Thats the way it is, so live with it.
If they don't like it there is an airport at Mascot.
Multiculturism is dead, but a lot of people have not
yet realised it.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 11 September 2006 4:46:21 PM
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Leigh, both your sources come from the Murdoch press which immediatley makes your arguement almost worthless. But anyway, who cares what about bunch of crusty old Muslim men reminiscing about their homeland?

I went to a school where anglo folk like myself are a minority. I met dozens of older migrants who would whinge about Australia, 'no culture, no history, crappy napalese sauce', their kids would whinge about missing out on tickets to the Eminem concert.

I believe if we treat Muslims like dogs, they're gonna react like dogs, so why don't we just back off?
Posted by Carl, Monday, 11 September 2006 5:09:57 PM
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Well said Carl.

Coach.

"Comparing Islam terrorism to other universal acts of terror does not bring any solace tothe fact that 9/11 was a Muslem plot orchestrated and financed by the militant Muslems of the world."

Yes. And Saddam did it too! Let's go invade Iraq to get revenge. Oh wait. We already did.

When will the world learn?

P.S. 9/11 was a government conspiracy plot. No? you disagree? Well those theories are just as legit as the ones you claim somehow involve the Muslims of the world. Yeh sure. And George Bush is a terrorist.

Oh wait. That's a true statement.
I don't think I get how irony and sarcasm works in these examples.

Why is "Islamic terrorism" more evil than other acts of terror?
Why are they referred to as "Universal acts" as if they may as well be "universal values" that are accepted all over the world, while any act by a Muslim/Arab is strictly "Islamic Fundamentalist Extremist Militant Terrorism"? I'm sorry Coach but if you're going to try and indoctrinate us all with your anti-Islam propaganda, at least try to make some sense in the process!
Posted by fleurette, Monday, 11 September 2006 6:02:40 PM
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Irfan

This is an excellent analysis. It explains a great deal. It is forward thinking and enlightening to any thinking person.

Keith
Posted by keith, Monday, 11 September 2006 6:03:37 PM
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As I read the first half dozen or so comments regarding this article I must admit I was getting a tad worried. Is extreme conservatism becoming a majority view, or are they just noisier?... Actually, don't answer. I think it would be noisy.

Anyhow, Irfan sums it up pretty well. What interests me, is what the vehement anti-multiculturalists are proposing.

Do we:

a) ban all muslims from entering Australia? A fifth of the world's population? that'll endear us to them for sure. It's bound to make Australia a safe place.
Of course, that would require excising all the current muslims to be truly effective. People who have been here for generations.
Though what does that matter right? they haven't 'integrated' just how we want them, so out you go?

b) Invite them in, but tell them there's no muslim religion here. Worshipping the jesus-type god is cool and all, we got no beef with the hindu blokes with all the arms either, but Allah's not our cup of tea sorry.
Aside from the fact that religion thrives on oppression, it would simply drive Australian muslims underground. You want a recipe for fundamentalists, there you go.

c) Make em be Christians.
hey! it reeks of the crusades and years of botched colonial efforts, but shucks, everybody should love jesus, cause he's the only real god. Right coach?

Ok. I'm being facetious here. But I get a little sick of all these commentators bashing the Muslim faith on a terrorism basis, who haven't got any ideas as to how we solve this.

As I see it, even if the muslim religion was the problem (and I don't think it is) you can't just make it go away cause you don't like it.
Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Monday, 11 September 2006 6:53:31 PM
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