This invasion and demolition of Lebanon back 20 years started being planned as early as February 2005, was endorsed by the US and UK months before the kidnapping.

What is this farcical nonsense that smashing most of a country, killing 1300 people in Lebanon and getting 150 Israelis killed and other appalling stats. is about 2 soldiers being kidnapped especially now that Haaretz reports that Peretz has ordered the negotiation of their release?

People need to be a mite more realistic I think. What say the Israelis gave back the Palestinian land, the settlers stopped using it as an excuse to play the victims, the gave back the Golan heights and they gave back the Shebaa farms.

Even Austraila, Canada and the US have managed to return land to aborigines, inuit and Indians without savage consequences.

If anyone does not believe that 'total elimination' does not work, they should refer to the activities of the 'Great Khan' who dealt with the "Ismailies" who were the "proto Hezbollah" of the Islamic world.

I won't repeat all I've said about human solutions in detail, but the bones are:

Warn
Defeat
Deport
Disperse
Absorb.

Tony Kevin, you point about creating 10 more terrorists for the sake of one, is not lost on me. But the difficulty becomes 'how many anti terrorists' are created in embryo form of not fully born, by the actions of Muslim terrorists against Western Interests ? The relatives of 9/11 and Embassy bombings. I wonder how many now work for the CIA etc ?

Marilyn please stop self medicating and for goodness sake have a nice long rest. Step back for a moment, the destiny of the world does not depend on you, or your friends. Perhaps your energies would be better spent in quiet humble service ? rather than shouting and ranting.

Look up the work of this man... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren

I'd be interested in your take on his bio.

Cheers

Marilyn, neither Aborigines, Inuit nor Indians call for the desctruction of Australia, Canada or the USA. Neither do they fire Qassam rockets into cities. Neither do they send suicide bombers into buses and marketplaces.

I personally believe that in Australia we should honour our Aboriginal people and their culture, and that some level of land justice should occur. But if I thought they were going to bomb Australian cities I am not sure I would feel the same way.

So far as I know, Israel has not called for the destruction of any nation states. They made tentative steps in the right direction by withdrawing from Gaza. And what was the Palestinian people's response? They elected a government led by an internationally listed terrorist organisation. No wonder the hawks are in the ascendency in Israel.

Re: The beginning of the end? DOOMSDAY?

Doomsday Pending? or Doomsday Thwarted?

In the year 1905, Nobel physicist, Albert Einstein, discovered the Proton Genie, and gave the World his paradigm E=mc² equation.

Einstein proved that extracting and fusing PROTONS from ordinary pure water can make everybody on Earth so idly rich and content from the benefits of this clean, virtually-free and inexhaustible energy supply that nobody should ever again have to worry about pollution, war or poverty, and Mother Nature can once again reign as The Supreme Mistress of any and all Climate Change.

The Earth Clock reads: One Minute Until Doomsday!

Is it too late? Or, will some ordinary, individual tinkerer (maybe just an average high school student) rise to the occasion and demonstrate the physical expression of Einstein's equation so that the entire World Population can move forward into the future with peace, contentment, and tranquility?

web site:
http://howtosavecivilization.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-to-save-civilization.html

Narcissist, the Hebrew god, variously called Yahweh, Yaw, Yah, Yahu, El, Elohim or Ehyeh asher Ehyeh, could well be a conglomerate of other gods, up to 50, if you drag them all out of the bible and other works used in creating the old testament..

Historical evidence shows, if there's a God at all, that God is a God of anger, revenge, jealousy, a violent war engrossed god. This description fits only one perfectly, Yahweh.

Yahweh's commandment to the Israelites was firstly, to fear him (Deut.110:12). The wrath of Yahweh was felt by hundreds of thousands of innocents, who were in the way of his plans for his chosen people. They were eradicated in a continuous blood-bath that marks Yahweh's modus operandi throughout the Old Testament.

Two thousand years of history, seemingly unexplainable in terms of a loving Christian God, is perfectly consistent with the character of Yahweh. The wars, the pogroms, the suffering, the ethnic eradications are copied right out of Yahweh's record in the Old Testament and continued today

In the New Testament we're informed Jesus Christ was Yahweh-Elohim of the Old Testament. So Christ made Adam and Eve, Christ gave Moses the 10 Commandments, the God-blinded Jews unknowingly had been worshipping Christ, not God the Father.

Then along comes Islam, saying, Jesus was not the God of the Old Testament, Allah was. So we have before us, some 4,000 years of Godly usurpations via the rise and fall of political entities, debated in the blood of innocents and on the battle fields of the world.

Anth

Whatever gave you or Israel the right to decide who the Palestinians should elect or not elect? Surely if Hamas didn't behave as the voters wished, and prior to the election they stated they would not endorse or follow through with their desire for the destruction of Israel, then they would be answerable at the ballot box. If they had carried on with that violent attitude, then they'd be going to get the same rejection that Ehud and his warmongering mates are about to get at the next Israeli election.

Remember the shelling of Palestinian civilians on Gaza Beach? No violence was shown by Hamas or the Palestinian Government prior to that. A kidnapping of an Israeli solder followed that outrage. Then followed the mayhem persued by Ehud and his warmonger mates.

Why didn't Ehud and his mates do what they are doing not? Negotiating with Hamas...well the Parliamentary Members of Hamas who are not DETAINED by the Israelis.

What right have Israel to interfere in the internal affairs of another Government?

They are not democrats, they don't believe in the goodness of democracy. They are no better than barbarians who feign a likeness for democracy. I think they in fact just manipulate democracy so as to gain support from Western Liberal Democracies. Certianly they are not liberal and do not carry on the Western traditions of our Greek and Hebrew heritage...yep but they are Judeo-christian fundamentalists something the west rejected centuries ago.

Mate there is no depth in your argument it is as simple as the Israeli propaganda and that thinks we are all idiots who will blindly swallow their line ... because we have done so for decades.