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The beginning of the end? : Comments

By Taimor Hazou, published 21/8/2006

Are Israel and the United States staring at defeat because their deterrence no longer works?

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I can't remember the exact figure bu the US congress voted something like 420-4 in favour of the Israeli action against Lebanon. They are drastically out of step with the International community and probably with their own constituents.

Beginning of the end indeed.
Posted by Carl, Monday, 21 August 2006 9:36:01 AM
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That article is well written deserving full marks.

I believe that for nations such as America, Israel, Australia, etc to wake up, there will have to be a massive defeat against us all because of the unwarranted interferring against the world.

A lot of good work has been done by America in securing peace and these wacko's are out to destroy it all.
Posted by Spider, Monday, 21 August 2006 9:41:00 AM
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Deterrence doesn’t work against fanatics. The only way to stop them is to wipe them out. Thanks to the United Nations and its soft, wet EU members (who never dirty their own hands), the most recent opportunity to do this has again been taken away from Israel, and Hezbollah and other Middle East maniacs feel further empowered to carry on.

Note that Taimor Hazou demonstrates his and his Arabic think tanks claimed non-partisanship by stressing the destruction and loss off life in Lebanon (the aggressor) only, and races on to blame Israel and the US. And, as for the reference to one of the hick Jimmy Carter’s equally hickish advisors saying that the majority of the Middle Eastern countries will turn against the US – well, hallo! Name one that doesn’t hate America’s guts already.

And then, to pull in a couple of do-nothing has-beens like Malcolm Fraser and Farmer Fischer. Well, what can one say.

If Hazou’s name is not already on the Canberra lists, this twisted rant should certainly see him added
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 21 August 2006 10:32:55 AM
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Leigh, the reason the EU isn't in favour 'wiping them out' is because they tried doing that to each other for centuries, and finally, after 2 devastating industrial wars they realised that they either put aside their difference or face total annihilation.

The Europeans are frustrated because they see the US/Israel making the same mistakes they did.
Posted by Carl, Monday, 21 August 2006 10:48:52 AM
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Sadly, I fear Taimor Haizou is right. US and Israeli deterrence through fear is not working any more in the Middle East. A similar point was well made today in the Canberra Times by Ramesh Thakur, who wrote: if the US (or Israel) destroys a house filled with 100 civilians in order to kill one known terrorist there, and of those 100, 90 die and 10 family members survive to become new terrorists out of implacable despair and drive for revenge, the number of terrorist enemies is multiplied by a factor of 10. That is pretty much what has just happened in Lebanon these past six weeks. Overkill deterrence just does not work – setting aside that it is a crime against humanity.

The time for peace is indeed overdue, but it may be too late for a two-state solution – the Israeli government has so carved up and walled in what could have initially been a viable Palestinian state that this can no longer work. 250,000 Israeli settlers are not going to go back tamely within the borders of Israel proper. The only way out now - the present spiral of hate and war can only end in another Masada, in this generation or the next - is a new bi-national Israeli-Palestinian secular state on the territory of Israel and what is left of Palestine, uniting the two communities in a society that is based on pluralism and equal rights for all citizens regardless of race or creed.

Would that mean the end of the state of Israel? Yes, it would. Would it mean killing or expelling the Jewish citizens of the present state of Israel? No it wouldn’t – it would mean a new state based on peace and common humanity. Israel cannot continue along its present cruel and reckless path –that way lies only more death and destruction towards an eventual huge catastrophe for all.

Hopelessly visionary ? Before making up your mind, read this 2003 article by Professor Tony Judt, advocating such an approach, in the New York Review of Books:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16671
Tony Kevin
Posted by tony kevin, Monday, 21 August 2006 12:06:35 PM
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Commissar Leigh,

Well said! All who oppose us must be wiped out! Exterminate! Exterminate!

And until Taimor [Obviously Arabic for Terrorist!] Hazou [Obviously Arabic code for Hezbollah!] is exterminated, please ensure he's on that "Canberra List" you mentioned.

Greetings from Commissar Strewth
Posted by Strewth, Monday, 21 August 2006 12:25:59 PM
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