Maybe the Hezbollah cannot be destroyed because it could be an example of an ethical fight against global injustice brought on by an America we had admired so much after WW2. A formerly great and wonderful nation with its successful introduction of the Marshall Plan, and the pledge to once more shape Immanuel Kant's envisaged world federation of nations into the hoped for model of perpetual peace it was originally hoped to be.

A letter in todays WA Sunday Times, pretty well encapsulates what is really wrong with our troubled world.

The letter writer points out how the US has used its veto power 81 times since the formation of the UN, and now as the only remaining superpower, has allowed Israel to again pulverise Lebanon, by virually rendering the UN useless while her Middle East partner does her dirty work.

So we have a formerly great nation, which was also successful in peacefully bringing an end to the Cold War with the Soviet Union, has since appeared to be hijacking the UN for its own political agenda, virtually practicing what is now called neo-imperialism in the guise of global democracy in Iraq, with most of its troops guarding oilfields now run by Cheviot Oil, Exxon Mobil, Shell and British petroleum. Note also, that the US is also assisted there by the UK, formerly well practised in the older imperialism

Dear Drooge

Your points about the US/UK 'Inteference' in Middle East regimes is duly noted.
Rather than answer you directly, can I suggest that you do some reading on the history of the spread of Islam (or any stream of history for that matter.. European also is instructive) and you will find a litany of exactly the same 'interference' by all sides at different times.

I'm sure you are aware that NationStates do such things in their own interests, particularly survival interests. Clearly, if a regime is perceived as, and proven as 'friendly', there will be little inteference by others (whoever they might be).

Is there an 'Interference' by Iran in Iraq ? in South Lebanon ?
Is it in the form of OFFENSIVE long range missiles and modern anti tank missiles ? You know the answer to this.

SUNISLE
Characterizing the Israelies as 'War Criminals' is to judge yourself, and definitely the PLO. Supporting them is to support War Criminals
See these images to verify that I'm not talking garbage.
http://www.geocities.com/damour1976/photo.html

Now.. given the factual nature of the above incident. And the protest which was on the streets of Melbourne yesterday, with Australians wearing Palestinian scalves, just imagine how you would feel if your mother, father, brother etc were among those killed by the PLO ?

One could be forgiven for wanting to show such pictures 'IN THE FACE' of those naive and uninformed Australians, and I almost did that.
The only thing which held me back was Police advice that they would prefer not to be a punching back between me and a couple of thousand emotionally disturbed Palestinians who might tear me to pieces and thus would arrest ME as the easiest way out of such a problem.

In the end I had cordial conversations with the sad Aussie pawns.

Beware of 'giving comfort' to the enemies of Australia... the Anti terror laws are not for nothing.

Marilyn Shepherd wrote:

"Also - hands up those contributors who love Jews and hands up those who would have supported Australia saying in 1938 "we in Australia don't have a racial problem and are not desirous of importing one".

The best and most obvious way that this piece of libel on Australia can be answered comes from the website of the Jewish Board of Deputies on the extent of anti-semitism in Australia, which is here:

http://www.nswjbd.org/MintDigital.NET/NSWJBD.aspx?XmlNode=/MainNav/Judaism/Jewish+History/Australian+Jewish+History

All immigration to Australia in the 1930's must be considered in the light of the depression, and the massive unemployment. In fact, in 1931 the Governor-General issued a proclamation stating that due to the depression all immigration was to cease for the time being and that any immigrants that arrived would be required to sit for the dictation test. The next immigrants to Australia were Jewish refugees in 1939.

I know that Australia took in a large number of Jewish families in 1939 because I went to school with their children. I also know from first hand experience what a credit to Australia these children were.

I really don't understand what Marilyn Shepherd is really advocating. She does not seem to believe that Israel should exist, but I am not sure if she is opposed to the expansion of the muslim religion all over the world. I think it would help all other posters if she could expand a positive vision of what she wants, rather than just being cirtical of Israel.

I have no wish to indulge in dailogue with Boaz_David; when someone has no insight into their pathological need to catagorize human beings according to race, religion or colour there is no hope for compassionate, logical argument. Until a person can see all human beings equally and feel empathy for those in need, there is no hope for them.

I will touch on War Crimes, which have been documented against Israel by the UN, Amnesty International, the Red Cross and Human Rights Watch. These organizations judge countries on their ACTIONS, not on their race, colour or religion. Israelis could be Buddhist, Catholic, Turkish, blue, from Mars.....it is Israle's ACTIONS that have caused them to become a pariah on the world stage.

Someone on this board suggested moving Israel to the US...I second that. If the US are so supportive of Israel, let them have Israel as their neighbour. It is apparent that Israel is incapable of living at peace with it's nieghbours. THE LATEST MIDDLE EAST CEASEFIRE BROKEN AGAIN BY THEM. It was a huge mistake and injustice in the first place; let's cut the world's losses- in lives- and prevent further loss of life and move Israel to Texas.

Those that choose to stay can become Palestinian citizens and live as Palestinians. It was what was happening before the disastrous 1948 catastrophe. Palestinians then were various religions- not just one- and lived together as Palestinians...way past time to cut the world's losses and move Israel to the US.

Dear Sunisle

yes..its hard to debate when you have a weak case right ? :)

Why did you not mention the PLO as War criminals in that list you provided ? Perrrhaps because such an admission would not suit your "Israel_Bashing_no_matter_what" mission ?

You condemn me for something that in a few sentences later you do yourself..... I was getting images of you frothing at the mouth as you typed that....it didn't make a lot of sense, resembling a 'rant' more than reasoned output.

Plerdsy.. Marilyn is self medicating I think... and is probably impacted emotionally by the condition for which she is having treatment. We should try to sustain her and give wise guidance which might reduce the acute sense of distress over things she can't see very clearly.

I hope to destroy any support for Hezbollah in Melbourne. Will be difficult but I should try. Might hold a rally at the State Library, dress in Black, combat boots, balaclava... huge PA system.... and just when everyone thinks I'm a 'white supremacist' I'll call for giving the houses along Gardners Creek Box Hill and the Merri and Darebin Creeks to Aboriginal families :)
Then, I'll condemn those who support the terrorist Hezbollah and declare those who support them 'Traitors to Australia'.
Then proclaim R.I.P. Multi-culturalism with a mock coffin with that written on the side.
I'll also have a Banner condemning the War Criminal PLO genocide and show large pics of their murderous rampage.

Concluding with a call for 'NO HEZBOLLAH SUPPORTERS' be allowed to migrate here.
Hmmmmm.....
PERICLES...where are you ?

Bamboozled,

As an opponent of multiculturalism (" 'The only race is the human race race' is laughably naive...Emphasizing or even facilitating 'difference' (such as with Multi-culturalism) is a recipe for conflict, possibly even murky war.") how do you explain away your marriage to that poor, long-suffering lady from Borneo?