Any 'right' that is had without spilling copious amounts of blood is 'handed to you on a plate.'

REAL power comes after much violent struggle. Its the nature of our physical reality. If its REAL power REALLY worth having then its worth dying for and definately worth spilling a few pints of blood over. Us evil, uncaring, un-nuturing, ugly men understand this implicitly.

Women on the other hand tend to substitute UGLY TRUTHS with warm fuzzy rationale and sanctimoniously self serving intellectual pretensions like morality. An alleged 'higher' morality no less, because they are women and women by their definition possess a higher moral fibre. Hmmm, how is that for an equality devoid of chauvinism and free of arrogance? Tho, a few good women do intuitively appreciate the implicit nature of the human beast and make no excuses. Small mercies.

Mans capacity to dominate goes well beyond his physical stature. Technology has rendered that advantage redundant. You can leverage the physical with a rope and pulley or with a gun and a bullet. Yes l know, AWFUL TRUTH. Its a bummer and it hurts. Mans dominance is rooted in his resigned appreciation of REALITY. There is no higher moral truth... that is mere fancy, illusion.

If you got your so-called 'rights' on the back of mere words, rhetoric, whinging, whining and nagging, then those liberties are fickle and illusory. Going from from one cacoon to another doesnt free you from the matrix. Congratulations, you got a higher perch in the cage. Well done. Have a soy decaf skinny latte and dolphin free organic lentil burger on me.

Its hillarious to hear fems celebrate what they 'acheived'. Most of it is swapping one relative, figurative oppression for another. Yes, its great to have all these rights you celebrate, but you are only starting to realise that they come with responsibilities, accountability and a grizzy downside. Such is the nature of the beast.

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Its even more amusing when fems bemoan the attendant downside of rights. In the same breath championing equality and independance.

l am certainly not advocating going back to the 'dark' old days, merely pointing out the realities, namely:

1. you didnt really have to fight that hard. The powerful hegomaniacal patriarchal oppressors didnt force you to spill blood. They just rolled over and gave you whatever apparent power they werent using at the time. Look around you, you can earn a buck, take a man's kids and dough in divorce, but all the other crap still encumbers you (as it does us).
2. You made your empowered, independant beds and know you gotta sleep in them... alone, as no man worth his testosterone is gonna karmically route himself on the ugly bit of your bitterness and delusion.
3. You are now free to work yourselves thru crappy careers and give up the best daze of the best years of your lives fattening your income statements and balance sheets... like us menfolk have done for eons. Newsflash, a fat bank account, a weighty desk plaque and a nice corner office overlooking the park cant give you a hug, kiss and a cuddle.

You got a few rights but like all politic 'isms' and ideological pretensions, you, like the rest of us have been systematically had. The rhetoric is just used to keep the constituency maleable.

ps. 2 post limit and word limit are a great idea and more forums would benefit from it. It forces posters to think things thru and be succint, rather than flying off the handle with ill contemplations and muddying a forum with emotive, knee jerk responses.

Women have always paid their way for every tiny step towards equality and autonomy.

Since the late 1400's it has been estimated that at least nine million people have been executed for the sin of witchcraft. The majority of these victims have been women, for witchcraft seems to have been a female crime. Men were generally protected from such accusations because they were considered to be of superior intellect and virtue in both the Judean and Christian cultures.
http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt/persecution.html
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WWI
Thirty Thousand Women Were There
http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/signal.html
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Women's Military and War History: women who fought in the military officially and unofficially, women who served in support roles, plus how women's roles changed for women who stayed home.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/militarywar/
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PRESENT DAY
In Colombia women who speak out for their rights face intimidation, violence and even death from armed groups on both sides of the country’s long-running internal conflict. Government security forces and their paramilitary allies have labelled women community leaders, activists and human rights defenders as guerrilla collaborators and legitimate targets in the counter-insurgency war.……... Rape, mutilation and abuse of women and girls have been used as weapons of war to generate fear and to silence campaigns for social, economic and political rights.
http://web.amnesty.org/actforwomen/stories-1-eng
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Uganda:
“Women’s bodies have actually become battle grounds, not only to … the rebels who are fighting government, but … even the government soldiers are violating women, and targeting their sexuality… the violation is all about destroying … the inbuilt strength of a woman to build a community, so both warring factions are targeting the woman’s body to make sure that they destroy that community through this woman.”
http://web.amnesty.org/actforwomen/Ruth_Ochineg-eng
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August 18, 2006
Women in Afghanistan Fear New Taliban-Like Rule
A women's rights activist struggles to publicize the persecution of women in post-Taliban Afghanistan, where fundamentalist pressures are returning and the burqa is back.
http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/1328
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THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUAL RIGHTS IS NOT OVER. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO REST ON OUR LAURELS.

WOMEN’S RIGHTS ARE STILL FEW AND THOSE FEW ARE LIMITED TO WESTERN WOMEN.

Yawn!

I had always thought that it was only women who were burned at the stake for being witches and imagine my surprise to discover men were also accused of witchcraft and burned at the stake. Admittedly from the records more women than men were burned at the stake.

The following statement is nothing short of mythology
"Men were generally protected from such accusations because they were considered to be of superior intellect and virtue in both the Judean and Christian cultures."

"THE STRUGGLE FOR EQUAL RIGHTS IS NOT OVER. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO REST ON OUR LAURELS.
WOMEN’S RIGHTS ARE STILL FEW AND THOSE FEW ARE LIMITED TO WESTERN WOMEN" Typically this type of statement is used to negate any thoughts that women in the western world are the most privileged people in history.

Mynra Blythe's book "Spin Sisters,How the Women of the Media Sell Unhappiness --- and Liberalism --- to the Women of America" this not only applies to America but Australia, Canada, NZ and the UK.

Women Who Make Things Worse For Other Women January 11, 2006
by Carey Roberts http://www.ifeminists.net/introduction/editorials/2006/0111roberts.html

Feminism is passé not so much that it worked, but that it failed so spectacularly. Anyone surprised that powerful women who make good through their own hard work distance themselves from it, should withdraw their head from the playground sand pit and check on the kids.

The claims of feminist “progress” are nothing more than deluded. Feminism was never about anyone other than women themselves, and as such, has failed to recognise that everyone outside it, has made even better progress.

Guess it’s the same old Marxist excuse of a failed implementation

Hello CARNIFEX. How do you do?

Sprung at last. Yes, this is I, Maximus. Thank you for your kind sentiments.

But now, back to the war.

World War 1 in fact, and our good Scout here has been on a reconnaissance sortie across no man's land - Internet searching - and has come up with no end of amazing stunts and stories of fabulous and fearless women.

Unfortunately, her links have not returned the solid evidence that makes good military intelligence - just hints and hearsay. However, despite this she is indeed on the right track. Yes, tens of thousands of genuinely good, lovely and decent women did forsake safety and security in WW1 and commit wholeheartedly to what they saw as their duty and accompanied their men folk to the fronts of battle. High quality women they were in those days. Strong in mind, body and spirit. Not like this feminized lot we've got today.

Mind you, not that many of that 30,000 actually went to the war you understand, but rather held down homeland roles. But they were good and proud women nonetheless. Women a man could respect.

But despite this, their numbers are but a mere bagatelle -

The Battle of the Somme
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWsomme.htm

"The British and French troops attacked at 7.30 on the morning of the 1st July [1916]. The BEF [British Expeditionary Force] suffered 58,000 casualties (a third of them killed), therefore making it the worse day in the history of the British Army."

58,000 CASUALTIES IN ONE DAY!

And the US managed to rally just 30,000 women for the entire war. Not much of an effort really when put into that context.

And, four and a half months later at the end of the battle - "The British had suffered 420,000 casualties. The French lost nearly 200,000 and it is estimated that German casualties were in the region of 500,000."

That was from just one battle that lasted some four and a half months in late 1916.

And here, an article (opinion) about WW1 and "the vote" -

The green fields of France
http://hereticalsex.blogspot.com/2006/06/green-fields-of-france.html