No, Anna, sorry, that's not bullsh'.

I happen to know a great deal about these matters under discussion, and obviously quite a bit more than yourself it would seem.

Despite your protestations, your post only confirms EXACTLY what I wrote, except you've muddled state with federal.

States were all independent and were ruled by British governors prior to federation - there was no Australia as such. Only wealthy men, land owners and the like, got to vote in the late 19th Century. After that, egalitarian attitudes slowly allowed more and more people to vote. You are confusing state voting with federal voting. Two totally different matters.

Besides, the facts are the facts. Most adult men AND most adult women were all given "the vote" - FEDERALLY - in post federation Australia in 1902!

Or don't you believe the Australian Electoral Commission either?

Frankly, my dear, I think the AEC is a far more reputable source of information than any of your precious "women's studies courses".

Here are the links again, so the good folks can work out the TRUTH for themselves -

Pre 1900,
http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/when/history/history.htm

Post 1900,
http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/when/history/history1900.htm

Now there are the facts, which I believe to be definitive. They back up some of your case, EXCEPT, you seem to have confused state and federal - I wonder why you would have done that?

You see Anna, I'm not an ism-ist, I don't swallow dogma, I seek and find my own information. And I don't muddle it to fog up the issue.

Maximvs! Is that you of Kitten News? Regular visitor nice site.

Anna and Vivienne a few months ago the Sydney Morning Herald ran a series on workplace deaths. Guess which gender the victims were? Men! The SMH didn't bother to acknowledge this in any of it's articles I pointed it out but got no reply.

When are we going to have true equality in workplace deaths? Come on these people die building houses and things to shelter you from the elements and make your life easier.

Feminism is passe because it's crap.

Anna you could blame women for global warming, go to the feminist site Minnesota Women's Press, they say that women spend 80% of the family income. They of course see this as 'empowerment' not materialistic greed.

Inner City Tranny

Woman across the road from me ran off with the deadbeat nextdoor didn't want the kids but changed her mind 2 weeks later and he had to give them to her, he had no say and now pays 27% of his income to her and the deadbeat and the latter is now driving his brand new ute for which hubby hard for. This guy never hit her, worked hard and helped around the house. That's what's wrong with the system.

CARNIFEX

CARNIFEX the bit about the woman having all the say about the kids is not feminism (although some feminists do go for it), it's the old attitudes about gender roles coming out and biting us on the butt.

It's not being fixed because those who make the decisions are still tied to those old gender roles. It's also those who don't look at the stats on who abuses and neglects kids.

Your lynching the wrong suspect.

R0bert

Doubt it Rob

Family court judges were 'educated' during the height of feminism in the 60's and 70s and this influences their decisions to this day. Theirs is not the real world and like academics can only exist in cosseted tax-payer funded enclaves.

I work at resort who's main customers are women. Many of whom were also educated in this time. Feminism has bit them on the bum. Angry and bitter and craving the company of men who will not go anywhere near them. Some were associates of Germs, what a fruit bat she was!

My mother was an ardent feminist, out of 3 sons she's got one grand kid, thoroughly regrets her passion now and can see how it did much more harm than good.

Anna a good book to read is "The Rantings of a Single Male" by Thomas Ellis.

Christine Stobla wrote "Lying in a Room of One's Own: How Women's Studies Textbooks Miseducate Students" in this she lists three catagories "Errors of fact", "Errors of interpretation" and "Sins of omission."

Other authors such a Daphne Patai, Christine Hoff-Sommers and Melanie Phillips are well worth reading.

This two posts per day malarkey doesn't really give one the opportunity to defend oneself does it.

Maximus: I wasn't challenging your or the AEC's info on federalism and the vote I was challenging your assertion that there was no suffrage movement in Australia and the vote was just served up on a silver platter. That is patently false.

I wasn't muddling up state and federal. I made it clear I was talking about the vote on a state level, and proposing that the struggles (which had been going on for quite some time) on a state level were of consequence when it came to drafting voting legislation upon federation.

JamesH, my knowledge of the suffrage movement comes from history texts, not women's studies text. So cease and desist with your attempts to discredit me.