Can't hang around this morning, so this will have to be very brief.

David and Redneck, go back to fundamentals....

Are you the only two guys in the whole entire world who don't know that the neocons did 9-11? I mean, come on! Tell me you're joking!

One minute you see those nasty little raggeddy brown urchins as vermin under your feet. The next, you grant them supernatural powers.

Maybe you need to enlarge your websurfing just a little bit.

Back later.... Cheers

Chris Shaw,

Unfortunetly, they are not the only 2 guys in the world who can't see the truth about 911, most don't, but there are millions of people all over the world who are waking up and facing reality.

Anybody with a critical mind who examines the official story thouroughly will see that it does not add up, and that the most likely perpetrators of 911 were rogue elements from inside the Pentagon,with Rummy and the VP.

Keep spreading the word Chris Shaw! The truth WILL come out!

Dear Chris

Ok..this time I'll make it REALLy simple and a verrrrry short post :)

WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING for the solution to the dilemna of human conflict... in terms of political or social ideology ?

ENLIGHTEN US.... (repeated) PLEASE. (you seem to be avoiding this question mate)

Thats all... repeated again... please actually answer this time.
Cheers
BAMBOOZLE/BOZO/etc etc.. (refer strewth for extended list :)

Carl..9/11 are u guys for real ? (dials 'therapy 000' for Carl and Chris)

BD, LOL

Thanks for your concern about my mental health David. Much appreciated but I can assure you I am fine.

A couple of days after 9/11 someone close to me said that history will show that the US administration was responsible for the attacks, I wrote him off as being delusional.

About a year ago I heard these conspiracy theories were becoming popular, determined to prove the wackos wrong and put my mind at rest I started doing my research into the matter.

I read up on a lot of the theories and found that there was definitely something not quite right about the official story, but I figured there was some sort of explanation. So I started reading some of the few websites that take on the conspiracy theorists, point by point, and there rebuttals are even more implausible.

David, there is no PROOF that the administration was responsible, but look at the facts and think about it

FACT: Global architects Rummy, Cheney and co. had more to gain from 911 than anyone

FACT: The administration has consistently tried to halt a proper investigation of 911. There has been a lot of speculation about how WTC 7 collapsed in a professional demolition when it was not hit by an airplane, however the hefty 911 commission report DOES NOT EVEN MENTION WTC 7.

FACT: No black boxes were found in New York or Washington

FACT: Canada’s air defenses were scrambled before America’s on the morning of 9/11

I could go on and on David. You are obviously a smart man, I’m not going to try and change your ideology, I am only interested in the facts, and the facts about 9/11 are not known

so David B
You think my belief that all wars are territorial is too simplistic.

Democracy is not that common in history. For most of history mankind has been under the control of the warlords, these are the Kings, the emperors, the Shieks and dictators. These are dominant territorial males who rode in at the head of armies(territorial males) and took control of other peoples lands and countries. At one point in early England there were five kingdoms. Five of these males had staked out territories for themselves.

HITLER was an INSTRUMENT of the German people so that when the ethnic cleansing of the jews was done they could say Hitler did it we didnt. Six million Jews were killed or exiled in Germany. The Jews were very prosperous. They had nice homes and cars and furniture and jewellery and Bank Accounts. WHERE DID ALL THAT WEALTH GO? I'll bet the German soldiers had no sooner removed a Jewish family from their home than those same innocent? German people moved quietly in and took possession. THE TERRITORIAL SPOILS TO THE GERMAN PEOPLE MY DEARS!

When the Catholics were killing the Heretics in England they wanted control of England. How do you kill for territorial gain and still see your self as a good person. SIMPLE you make your enemy, Gods enemy and God actually sanctions the killing. Sound familiar in todays world INFIDEL?

When the Muslims say they want a Muslim state worldwide. They mean muslim as in Muslim offspring. Exactly the same as Hitler wanted a German State worldwide with blonde haired blue eyes Germans.

Racism is as a cough is to the flu. It is only a symptom of the more deadly underlying tetrritorial hostility. Like the aggression and intimidation a lion shows when another lion first comes onto its territory. If I was an out of space David Attenborough veiwing mankind from out of space I'd have no other option but to conclude that mankind is a territorial species.

The beauty of being human Sharkfin, is that we have the ability to reflect and through reflection understand. As our understanding evolves, we change our perception and subsequently, our behaviour. We've certainly changed a lot since 'caveman' times (some may also be right in thinking not - on some levels) haven't we?

Historically the bulk of mankind has behaved territorially, and probably the bulk of mankind today remains territorial (it certainly seems so in the 'Western' world, where all of my present experince of the planet lies), however, as more and more people realise the nonsense of such a world view, if peaceful cohabitation is our aim, a new collective understanding can emerge, and a new collective behaviour take hold. Humans can change, individually and (eventually) en masse. Its great being human.