... its called a paradigm shift.

Katherina Weiss

Why is it that Israel and the US were the only two examples that you gave for criticism? What about Al Qaida, Hezbollah, China and the Burma military regime? Should they not also have shown compassion?

And what did the Dalai Lama or Aung San Suu Kyi achieve? Tibet is now permanenetly a province of China and Burma is still run by a military dictatorship.

You also repeat the mantra that "Hezbollah captures two Israeli soldiers and more than 400 Lebanese civilians die as a result."

Israel was more concerned about thousands of missiles being accumulated by a group that had vowed its destruction, that was the main reason for its actions. You question the efficacy of the result. When the shouting dies down it will be realised that the flow of murderous missiles into South Lebenon has been stopped and Hezbollah no longer controls Lebanese sovereign territory.

Neville Chamberlain produced no favours for the world with his treaty with Hitler. The number of deaths would have been greatly reduced if the Allies had acted sooner. How much better off would Spain have been if the West had supported the republic?

Ghandi and Mandela were not facing fanatics glorifying martyrdom. That is the difference.

Back on this thread again. Carl, you hit the nail on the head. It was my wife Marlene who set out to do the very same thing, got the bug, then INSISTED I look at what she had found. Our lives changed from then on.

I need to talk about myself a bit if I may. I was born in a bombed-out town in England just after the war. Like most kids from that era, I have a huge collection of books about WWI and WWII. Churchill's speeches, general's memoirs, secret weapons, radar, Blechley Park - you name it. Go ahead, ask me about Spitfires and Stukas, Mosquitos and Komets. I have digested the lot.

- yet in all those years until very recently, it never occured to me to ask - WHY? Really, WHY!

It turns out that my whole life - our whole lives are but a narrative - a narrative that carefully avoids the underlying corporate and financial reasons for war. It NEVER had to be. It never HAS to be. It's time we put our foot on this big, fat slug. The time has come - a fight to the death, for the sake of our kids.

David B, this is a big, big topic that I am trying to learn even as we all write to each other. I think that this needs whole new threads of it's own, if we could fashion leading pieces that meet the criteria of OLO.

Cheers all.... XX

Chris,

I am currently in the process of writing an article on this topic in the hope OLO will publish it. But it is taking longer than I had hoped because I want the research to be meticulous.

But is OLO as gutless as the mainstream media? I certainly hope not.

I also plan on handing out leaflets at the release of hollywoods propaganda flix 'flight 93' and 'World Trade Center', on the bus the other day I noticed someone had spraypainted in very large letters 'watch loosechange' on a construction site

the movement has begun, we just need guys like BD on board, come on boaz!

SHARKY
I didn't say your post was simplistic at all...I commended it.

CHRIS
I detect a note of warmth in your last post :) and a bit of self revelation... "Innnnteresting" :)

You still haven't told me your 'solution' in terms of political or ideological methods, so I still await this final 'revelation'.....

As you said about Carl, you yourself hit the nail on the head in your question asking 'Why'..... and then clearly you dug deeper....

The 'Why' of most things is summed up in the story of Abraham and Lot and their herdsmen....its all the same.. so we agree on that point.

As for 9/11 (Carl... wake up me boy) 'Nothing' would surprise me, but on balance I can't see you guys spin having much cred. Its ok. I don't live or die on the outcome, and if 'They' turned out to be 'us' it simply confirms my usual mantra "All have sinned"..... and need the Savior.

Thank you, thank you, Chris Shaw and Carl.

By claiming that 9/11 was the work of the Pentagon, you are really making our "progressive" intelligensia readers wince. Don't forget, the trendies swallow the anti Israel line as a fashion statement to indicate their social position as people who are rooly, rooly intelligent. When you two come up with boners like that one, it must succeed in getting our Artz graduate types to re examine their fundamental attitudes. After all, they don't want to adopt the attitudes of people who are self evidently neuronally challenged. That would defeat the purpose.

Even Marilyn Shephard must be rolling her eyes and looking askance at you for that one. She probably wishes that you two would just go away and stop "helping" her.

I am glad that you two are not on my side.

Hey! Maybe you two really are on my side? If you are, then I think that your tactics are brilliant. Keep up the good work, boys.