The recurring theme in the arguments of the Jew hating trendy lefties is this. "If you can not think up an argument based upon logic, try one based upon some amorphous moral ideal." Katrina's rant fits that formulae like a glove.

The Israeli pilot did have compassion and humanity, Katrina. He had comapassion and humanity for his own women and children who were cowering in bomb shelters from incoming Katyuska rockets fired from Lebanon. He wanted to stop that from happening and he had to kill the people who are openly declaring their intention of exterminating his country.

The idea is so simple that even you should be able to figure it out, Katrina. If the Arabs stop shooting at the Israelis, the Israelis will stop shooting back at them. How on earth you can go into bat for a bunch of terrorists and their civilian supporters, and then portray the victims as the problem, is beyond me. Maybe when one of them blows an airliner out of the sky which you are sitting in, then you might figure it out in the five minutes it takes for your aeroplane to impact with the ground.

We all live in hope.

In stillness and silence there are no wars. If the Americans, rather than lashing out with all their might after the atrocity of 9/11, instead had received the sympathy offered by the rest of the world with grace and asked all countries to have a day of silence on the subsequent aniversaries, I am sure most would have gone along with such an idea.

If the whole world could STOP, just for one day, everyone reflecting together, in silence, what it really means to be and to act peacefully towards each other - true progress would be much swifter. Sadly, the current American administration, desiring a 'quick win' and a display of 'superior' might, prefers to flaunt this catastropy, at any opportunity, to justify and garner support for their violent, self-interested foreign policy.

I think Katharina speaks for the vast majority of 'ordinary' people in the world, who would prefer to solve problems by compassionately arriving at a shared understanding of our common needs, than the few who would impose their 'authority' through violence. Unfortunately, for some, this can be perceived as 'passivity' and 'inaction'. It is not by chance that patience is a required virtue on the non-violent path. But patience can be cultivated in abundance. We will get there - its a given.

In stillness and silence there are no wars. If the Americans, rather than lashing out with all their might after the atrocity of 9/11, received the sympathy offered by the rest of the world with grace and asked all countries to have a day of silence on the subsequent aniversaries, I am sure most would have gone along with such an idea.

If the whole world could STOP, just for one day, everyone reflecting together, in silence, what it really means to be and to act peacefully towards each other - true progress would be much swifter. Sadly, the current American administration, desiring a 'quick win' and a display of 'superior' might, prefers to flaunt this catastropy, at any opportunity, to justify and garner support for their violent, self-interested foreign policy.

I think Katharina speaks for the vast majority of 'ordinary' people in the world, who would prefer to solve problems by compassionately arriving at a shared understanding of our common needs, than the few who would impose their 'authority' through violence. Unfortunately, for some, this can be perceived as 'passivity' and 'inaction'. It is not by chance that patience is a required virtue on the non-violent path. But patience can be cultivated in abundance. We will get there - its a given.

Frank wistfully said :

"It is hard not to disagree with Katharina Weiss, "To fight wars we have to deny our own and others’ humanity."

Kevin said:

"In stillness and silence there are no wars"

also

"I think Katharina speaks for the vast majority of 'ordinary' people in the world, who would prefer to solve problems by compassionately arriving at a shared understanding of our common needs"

Hmmmmm.......

It is only from a Western post modern, socialist,idealistic (but unrealistic) view of life, and a relative peace from the last major conflict, that such views could be expressed and actually be believed.

The question I ask is this:

When a large chunk of the human race has developed a set of social/religious values and statehood based on a serial killer who surrounded himself with women for his sexual and political pleasure and convenience, one of whom was 9 when he went INTO her,.. a man who MUTILATED living people, by thrusting a hot iron into their eyes, carving off their hands and feet, leaving them to die slowly in hot desert sun, and a man who thought nothing of murdering men for such 'brutal sins' as 'writing offensive poetry'..... who claimed 'Divine Right' to 'The world and all that is in it'..... I am not optimistic that such a group of people, will ever sympathize with the ideas expressed above from our rather naive and uninformed friends on OLO.

On the contrary, such a group of people, are more likely to see things entirely differently from the rest of us 'ordinary folk'.

The challenge for informed people today, is the re-educate the likes of our brethren above, (Frank, Kevin, The author, Marilyn etc) concerning the unimaginable threat posed by such people as a community to OUR freedom. I say 'as a community' because they will use every political/legal means to re-shape Australia in terms of those values. Who would do otherwise ?

There remains for us, the task of defending our freedom and culture from such cultural aggression and religous fascism.

Please read the following report from The Guardian, in which Seymour Hirsch dumps on the neoconmen. Drink deep from the well of truth.

The neoconmen love you, because you are so busy fighting your cockroach skirmishes, that you are blind to their strategies. Both the US and Israel are pawns of the neoconmen, who lurch like golems towards the oil and water resources of the Middle East, using someone else's children as their dupes.

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"The veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh writes in the current issue of the New Yorker magazine that Israeli government officials travelled to the US in May to share plans for attacking Hizbullah.

Quoting a US government consultant, Hersh said: "Earlier this summer ... several Israeli officials visited Washington, separately, 'to get a green light for the bombing operation and to find out how much the United States would bear'."

The Israeli action, current and former government officials told Hersh, chimed with the Bush administration's desire to reduce the threat of possible Hizbullah retaliation against Israel should the US launch a military strike against Iran. "A successful Israeli Air Force bombing campaign ... could ease Israel's security concerns and also serve as a prelude to a potential American pre-emptive attack to destroy Iran's nuclear installations," sources told Hersh.

Yesterday Mr Hersh told CNN: "July was a pretext for a major offensive that had been in the works for a long time. Israel's attack was going to be a model for the attack they really want to do. They really want to go after Iran."

An unnamed Pentagon consultant told Hersh, "It was our intention to have Hizbullah diminished and now we have someone else doing it."

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Think about it. Who is the enemy of your children?

Wow, look at the bitter sniping between the posters. How can we expect national leaders to be real leaders when so many posters write so bitterly.

The author is right in what she says. However, while society continues to sell the souls of everyone away for a fistful of dollars, there is no hope of peace. Not to forget certain leaders who keep pushing their religion is superior.

Maybe there is only one leader who speaks directly with God. When other people say such things, we throw them into Psychiatric hospitals.