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By Yossi Klein Halevi, published 28/7/2006The Jewish people is once again being forced to act as a brake against evil.
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Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Sunday, 30 July 2006 11:21:52 AM
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"[After the war] Yasser Arafat soon became a devoted protégé of the grand Mufti."
"The Mufti’s mission of waging ongoing war against the Jews was continued by Arafat during the 1960s and early 1970s. In 1969, for example, the PLO recruited two former Nazi instructors, Erich Altern, a leader of the Gestapo’s Jewish affairs section, and Willy Berner, an S.S. officer in the Matthausen extermination camp." "Arafat always revered al-Husseini, who died in 1974, as his beloved hero and mentor. In a major address in April 1985, Arafat said he took “immense pride” in being the Mufti’s student and emphasized that the PLO “is continuing the path” he set. Close to thirty years after al-Husseini’s death, Arafat referred in an August 2002 interview to “our hero al-Husseini” as a “symbol of withstanding world pressure, having remained an Arab leader in spite of demands to have him replaced because of his Nazi ties.” “there is currently a culture of hatred that permeates books, magazines, newspapers, sermons, video-cassettes, the internet, television, and radio in the Arab Middle East which has not been seen since the heyday of Nazi Germany." "This unholy legacy of virulent anti-Semitism and anti-Jewish terrorism has been an enduring one: In the sixty years since the Holocaust, Hajj Amin al-Husseini has become the hero of the terrorist Palestine Liberation Organization, the founding father of the radical Palestine National Movement, and the INSPIRATION to two generations of radical Islamic leaders to carry on Hitler’s war against the Jews." Prof. David Dalin Ave Maria University Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Sunday, 30 July 2006 11:24:25 AM
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Today’s WA Sunday Times has a spread headed War Violence on Perth’s Streets. The headline is no doubt overdone because as with the picture, it is centred around Prime Minister John Howard’s car, with one protestor breaking an Aussie flag flagpole over the bonnet of the car.
Now while John Howard did finish up calling all the Lebanese Hezbollah terrorists, one wonders whether the Lebanese residents call them terrorists, and and if they do, how is that that Hezbollah members are also part of the Lebanese parliament? We also note never a word praising the Israelies even from the dual citizen families brought back to Australia? The article is also interesting in that while Howard did over-condemn Hezbollah hatred towards the Israelies, he deserves credit for stating the following: “There will not be a solution to the conflict in the Middle East till two things happen. The first is that there must be unconditional acceptance throughout the entire Arab world, of Israel’s right to exist in peace and stability behind secure and internationally recognised boundaries. The second “... that the Palestinians are also entitled to a national home as well as entitled to a national state and until these two conditions are met, there never will be a lasting peace in the Middle East.” More following: Posted by bushbred, Sunday, 30 July 2006 1:26:36 PM
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But off course there will never be a lasting peace in the Middle East while the US continually runs the Middle East like the Roman Empire, instilling fear not only among ME Islamics, but also among many Western liberal Christians, that America wants to instill its own brand of democracy on the Middle East, not one that the majority of the world’s people would agree with. As the German philosopher, Immanuel Kant, said so many years ago after being disgusted with Napoleon, from now on not one person nor even one nation can ever be trusted to rule this world. Better a Democratic Federation of Nations, agreed to by all world peoples. As most historians know, it was from Immanuel Kant’s thesis that grew the League of Nations, then the United Nations, aided very much by Konrad Adenaeur, first Chancellor of post WW2 West Germany. After his enlightening statement, the opportune job for Howard is to use some of the gumption he practices in our Aussie politics. to have George W Bush give our present UN a free go by releasing it from that ridiculous US veto to wipe our any UN Resolution America doesn’t like, which in a so-called democratic institution, should never have been allowed in the first place. Come on Howard, going by your interest in sport, you must believe in fair play, do you stuff! Posted by bushbred, Sunday, 30 July 2006 1:31:33 PM
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Jeff - interesting that you brought the nuremberg trials up -
Here's another quote from Gilbert and the response from Goering - Gilbert: "There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars." Goering: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." Sound familiar? Kind of worrying that the world's most powerful nation is taking these tips. Posted by TurnRightThenLeft, Sunday, 30 July 2006 1:54:00 PM
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This article explicitly claims that Israel is fighting for survival. That is ridiculous. The insane assertion that Iran is planning to nuke Israel is simply wrong. So is the underlying theme that Hamas and Hizb'Allah are actually capable of wiping out the Israeli Jews in a new Holocaust. Just because they want to doesn't mean they can.
For instance, does any senior policy-maker in the Iranian Government (NOT a briefer, or a nutter five levels down - I mean one of the, say, top fifty people in the Government) - actually think in private that nuking Israel would be a good idea? That they could get away with it? That they would not be destroyed in an outburst of fury that would make the last five years seem like a tea party? If so, who? Israel is retreating from the West Bank soon enough, and this current exchange of fire is a way, I think, to placate and disarm the settler minority who will definitely try and resist that withdrawal. Israel is _not_ trying to invade Lebanon and control its people through proxies. It's just posturing. I think maybe 500 people are dead. If Israel wanted to kill more than 500 people, they would have done so. If this was a real invasion, tens of thousands would be dead. That is not to say this action is moral or good. It isn't. But it is not an invasion. As far as "unequivocal American support for Israel" goes, who was the first American President to EVER use the words 'Palestinian State' in public? George W Bush. The first Secretary of State? Condoleeza Rice. If that's what you call 'unequivocal' support, that's fine with me. David Jackmanson http://www.letstakeover.blogspot.com What is the pseudo-left? http://www.lastsuperpower.net/disc/members/568578247191 Posted by David Jackmanson, Sunday, 30 July 2006 2:53:42 PM
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"Hitler’s mufti, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the viciously anti-Semitic grand mufti of Jerusalem and the leader of Muslim fundamentalists in Palestine, who resided in Berlin as a welcome guest of the Nazis throughout the years of the Holocaust."
"His career as an anti-Semitic agitator and terrorist began on April 4, 1920, when he and his followers went on a murderous rampage, attacking Jews on the street and looting Jewish stores."
"The alliance between Adolf Hitler and the Muslim fundamentalist world was initiated and forged by the grand mufti at the very beginning of the new Nazi regime. In late March 1933, al-Husseini contacted the German consul general in Jerusalem and requested German help in eliminating Jewish settlements in Palestine—offering, in exchange, a pan-Islamic jihad in alliance with Germany against Jews around the world."
"November 28, 1941, Husseini met for the first time with Hitler. As Timmerman has correctly argued, “al-Husseini owes his place in history” to this meeting, where he offered to raise an Arab legion to help carry out Hitler’s extermination of the Jews. “The mufti’s close ties to Hitler, and his total embrace of Hitler’s Final Solution,”
"From the outset of his stay in Berlin, al-Husseini was portrayed in Nazi propaganda as the spiritual and religious leader of Islam."
"In 1943 al-Husseini traveled several times to Bosnia, where he helped recruit a Bosnian Muslim S.S. company, the notorious “Hanjar troopers,” who slaughtered 90 percent of Bosnia’s Jews and burned “countless Serbian churches and villages.”
“Kill the Jews wherever you find them,” the Mufti told his growing Arab radio audience in 1944. “This pleases God, history, and religion.”