Dear Logic
legal disclaimer-my "opinion" follows:

your point about the Muslim world accepting that the problem is with 'itself' is indeed true, but there is a huge difficulty there.

Example. There is an Iranian lady, a Muslim, who stood up to the Mullahs, and began campaigning about womens rights etc... and suggesting (key point) that "Islam has been distorted by extremists"

Now..there is the problem and a dilemna. In reality the extremists have NOT distorted it, they are simply following it. But this is so repugnant to many women, (and ordinary families who just want a bit of religion and to get on with life) specially those who have been exposed to Western liberalism, that they then 'project back' the freedom of the West into Islam and try to re-construct it in those terms, and claiming its true ideals are distorted.

Nothing could be further from the truth !

In the
-Teaching (Quran and Hadith)
-Example (Sunnah) of Mohamed
-Unfolding history of Islamic expansion

The true nature of Islam is clear. SATANIC !

From the Hamas Charter:

Article Eleven: The Strategy of Hamas: Palestine is an Islamic Waqf
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it.....

more: (from the same article)

This [norm] has prevailed since the commanders of the Muslim armies completed the conquest of Syria and Iraq,..

NOTE the key words.. 'CONQUEST'..... (Muslim words, not mine)

2 IMPORTANT POINTS HERE.

1/ "Conquest"
2/ "Islamic lands" (Waqf)(till the day of resurrection) including ALL conquered lands (including SPAIN and parts of France,Austria up to Vienna)

Waqf="inalienable religious endowment" ... (can you see a place for Israel in this?)

But, I hear the Islamic apologists chirping "But Islam did not spread by the sword"...yeah...RIGHT.. good PR and Shia Taqiya, but lousy honesty.

Australia...be warned -this mindset is HERE (13 of them on committal hearing in Melbourne NOW).

My golly gosh Boaz, are you calling for a religious war or what. I take it you can't see past your hatred.

There are muslims that are causing world strife just as there with Jews and Christians and Hindus. Tell you what, why don't we round up all the Christian's, Hindu's, Mulims and Jews and kill em all. There you go, a major step towards world peace.

Can you go in first please? [Deleted for complete insensitivity and poster warned. And you can tell how bad it was by what I left!]

Now for seriousness...grow up!

So many comments, so much knowledge. NOT

There is no justification for any war, regardless of who did what and when. To argue either side is right or justified is just pig headed.

All the ramblings and rants on this thread and not a whit of sense.

Boaz..David,
In relation to Islam you speak disparagingly of "conquest"and "spread by the sword" as if this was a modus operandi unique to the development of this particular religion.
One doesnt have to delve too deeply into the history of your own religion,Christianity,to see that that you have absolutely no ethical or moral high ground in elevating your co-religionists' historical deeds and practises above those of Moslems.
Do lets be honest..if you seek to condemn an entire religion as "Satanic" for the misdeeds and abuses of some of its adherants then where do you stand as a Christian? Without sin? What does Jesus say about that?
I think you should expend more of your energies being faithful to the teachings of your own religious creed and less time attempting to assert your own alleged moral authority over others,lest you appear to be just another religious hypocrite who doesnt practise what he preaches.
"hypocrita eice primum trabem de oculo tuo et tunc videbis eicere festucam de oculo fratris tui"

DOOM

I am in agreement with you on that one.

Let's draw the line to expose Zionist deceivers, bent-to-spin bogus history legends!

• Narcissist ..."Good heavens. I really hope that Australia becomes nothing like America in it's flag waving patriotism. Australian Patrotism is subtle, and its history is there, but unlike America, not in your face. Australia does, have great outpourings on patriotism - ANZAC day and Australia day immediately come to mind. Stories of ANZAC are worth telling and listening to ... what becoming more popular as the tourism to Gallipoli, which has never been bigger"... No wonder as one of the bloodiest in elders-of-zion instigated calamities became superimposed down-under with the sacrosanct-pride. Nationally revered ever-since by the blind-leading-blind dill-flock of the gullible-suckers ... http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4716#49306

Though-in-reality we-ought to-focus on the authentic-history (leading-to-WWI), when in spite-of-direct contacts between Zionist and Tsarist Jew connivers, the imperial-Russia had not-a-slightest influence with Turks ruling-class-Jewry, who saw Russia as their enemy. Whilst originally there was-a-glimpse of hope to-convince the recalcitrant Sultan-of-Turkey in granting an-autonomous statelet-in-Palestine to Zionists in-return for-a-bloody deal. But it soon became quite apparent that all the hopes were unrealistic as Abdul Hamid knew well-enough (as-a-Jew) that Zionist-foothold-autonomy to eventuate as an-independent-entity, whilst he was adamant to-hold onto his whole-empire.

Thus with WZO without the army, their organisation was gifted nonetheless with Chaim Weizmann's spun-intrigues in London, just as Vladimir Jabotinsky scored Tsarist accord-in-lieu of a volunteer Russian-Jew-Legion, to help Great-Britain in taking Palestine by force. As thousands of young Russian-Jew-dissidents (still-Russian-citizens) were threatened with deportation by Jew Home-Secretary Herbert Samuel, if they didn't volunteer to British-Army. Yet in-spite-of all the intimidation tactics by Brits, Russian-Jew-dissidents wouldn't fight for the Tsar nor-for-his British sly-ally.

So-much for the perceived-Jew-legion-volunteers-idea turned into-embarrassment, if not for the irony-strike in-making such-a-scheme into-reality. Courtesy of the asinine Turks (an-inside-zionist-job) to expel all the Russian-Jews from Palestine as enemy-aliens. Who joined in-turn thousands-of-young Russian-Jew-dissidents in England. Still unwilling-to-fight for the Tsar, but their Zionist ideology led-them to-follow Yosef Trumpeldor (Jabotinsky's co-thinker) into Zion-Mule-Corps with Brits-at-Gallipoli. Later Jabotinsky proudly boasted on-how-such Mule-Corps via Petersburg anti-Semites-aid led to-a-goal ..."It was that donkey-battalion from Alexandria to-open-doors to the Whitehall offices".