For a better understanding of the Middle East, this true story told to me by an American Soldier who was in Afganistan, he said he was one of a group of soldiers who came on the scene of a bombed out cattle barn, he said, "There were several families sheltering from the cold most were young children, the barn became a target for a guided missile, 57 people were killed , arms and legs everywhere, he said he was shocked beyond belief, because as he moved through the peices of bodies, he found a peice of the bomb, on it were the words"God Bless America" he was later wounded by friendly fire, he took that piece of bomb back to his home, it hangs on the wall, a constant reminder of that day in Afganistan, he tells me everytime he hears anyone say "God Bless America" he feels sick in his stomach,
His story reminds me of Israel, they use God as a shield, they use God as a Agent to take over Palestine, and the White House supports them, 23 Israel passport holders in the White House. not one Palestinian passport holder, why? mangotree

Johnj,

I believe logic explained that the children did write on the shells, her argument regarding the faking of pictures was regarding the supposed strike on the ambulance, which bored a hole through the roof of it, but failed to break the windows.

I for one am happy to see that the poor children of Israel are able to write on the shells, after all they have (or had at that time) been targeted by Hizbollah intentionally for over a week, and had been living in bomb shelters for that period. Quite frankly this picture says to me that Israel will not break from the terrorism, similar to the 'business as usual' signs in London during the blitz (which is quite similar).

I for one would be very happy for you to explain how an ambulance could be targeted and hit by a rocket/shell/missile/etc, which apparently exploded inside it, without the overpressure from the explosion breaking any windows?

By the way have you seen this man:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284546,00.html

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/who-is-this-man.html

Also how, if Israel has destroyed all of the roads (the justification for the failure of civilians to leave) did the civilians leave yesterday?

Also, if Lebanon does not support Hizbollah, why do they support Hizbollah?

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1703362.htm

Finally, why do even the 'Doves' support the latest Israeli actions:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/25/AR2006072501387.html

Please, make an attempt to argue the points raised, don't simply assert something is said that was not said.

Inshallah

2bob

"Hezbollah hides among civilians so it's no wonder civilians get killed" goes the chorus.

So what kind of human being would still fire on them?

It appears no-one heard of such a thing as politics. FIND ANOTHER WAY!

They can't hear you Bennie - men hell bent on winning don't care about anything else - only being 'right' until death (fundamentalism). Of course they may be responsible for taking thousands of innocent children’s ('collateral') lives along the way - but this is the price of winning, this is the price of being 'proved' to be right. Once the killing starts - each side has ample 'facts' to keep proving they are justified in doing what they are doing. This is why states use agitators. States can then jackboot into the fray under the cover of 'defence against "terrorism".' Where there is wealth and natural resources, wealthy states are bound to be involved.

What amazes me, is that it is obvious who are the biggest terrorist organisations (peopled with the most devious, corrupt and evil minds). In any period in history, its always been the ones with the biggest bombs (most damaging weapons) - the ones who invest the most in killing machines - they are the biggest bullies and it's always only a matter of time before those who build up such armouries (under the veil of self-defence of course – as if they can really claim to only operate in self-defence – that’s a laugh – self-interest more like), begin to use their 'force' for their own gains. We all know what damage these people are capable of inflicting. Still, what’s a ‘few’ more children when “we are RIGHT!”

2bob, I'm more than happy to argue the toss. logic's first post said "Or ......... perhaps the photos are fake. But who would do a thing like that? And the press would not have such a bias against Israel that they would show false pictures." I can only presume that by quibling about the little girls in the photos writing in English (instead of Hebrew) he is suggesting they are fake. If that's not what he meant then I'd welcome a clarification.

Re the ambulance photo. Firstly, what about the other 9 ambulances attacked? Secondly, I don't watch TV and I really have no idea which photo you're talking about. As I said to logic, POST A LINK!!

Re the Qana photos. The Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse all stand by their photos. See here for example http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/ap/2006/08/01/ap2920008.html The blogger you linked to relied on photo time-stamps to make a case that the agencies conspired to fake the photos. The press agencies claim that the time-stamps relate to when the photos were posted. So who am I to believe? Is it a blogger who was thousands of kms away or the 3 big news agencies who were on the spot.....

I find the post on Yossi Beilin interesting, but he doesn't exactly strike me as a "dove", more a failed politician whose main claim to fame was his involvement in the Oslo Accords and the Geneva Accord. No question however that Israeli politicians are united in this campaign. My opinion is that this bandwagon is headed in exactly the wrong direction, but that is only my opinion. I am simply trying to understand.

I note that you believe "this picture says to me that Israel will not break from the terrorism". I agree with you that terrorism will not destroy Israel and will serve only to harden opinion there. But attacking Lebanon will not destroy Hesbollah and will serve only to harden anti-Israeli opinion.

Looking at the Israeli attack on Lebanon more from an ethical non biased point of view, we might say that while we do not get many reports from the Hezbulla concerning military action we get more than enough from the Israelies.

We might suggest that the Israeli reports might contain a lengthy literary prefix - to be explained in a sentence such as - “Despite the Lebanese people giving praise to the Hezbullah about their social work among the Lebanese, such as educational aid, medicare aid, as well as general help to the poor, the Hezbollah not only hate us Israelis, but because they are also not part of a national military force, they must be classed as terrorists.

Taking more a social scientific observation right now we might wonder whether over the years the Israelis could be blamed for the dissent just as much as the Arabs? Certainly Israel being allowed to go nuclear by the Americans and British, in military advantage has fortified them a hundred times over.

As well as nuclear, there is also the readiness to supply arms and equipment by America to the Israelies at a moment’s notice, as happened recently.