"Israel only exists in the centre of the arab world because the moral west didn't want the Jews."

Marilyn, I agree with most of your sentiment, but not that.
The jewish people specifically wanted their holy land.
Whether or not they would have accepted somewhere else is debatable, but the fact that they had their eyes on Israel as the prize is not - they've been pretty open about the for thousands of years.

Israel probably was about the worst place they could have been put, though there were going to be problems anywhere.
Say you put them on madagascar. There wouldn't necessarily be war with the madagascans, but there'd be problems. Displaced people.

If you want to see what happens when a people are displaced, look no further than the problems with aboriginal Australia, or the ongoing issues associated with land title and the New Zealand Maoris, or the disaffected native Americans.

You can argue that they should have been accepted as a part of western culture, but I would argue that they have.

The jewish people have suffered more than any culture and they deserved to have a home nation, though I'm not sure whether they deserved to have their prophecies realised with the establishment of the jewish state. Though where their nation should have been placed, I don't pretend to know.

'logic': Have you got a problem with being called a Zionist? I have a problem with Islamofascist in relation to Hamas/Hizbollah simply because the latter have a primarily nationalist focus, unlike al-Qaeda, and Zionists such as yourself pull all stops out to lump the former with the latter for purely propaganda purposes.

Re armies, the Swiss don't fetishise theirs or use it as a bludgeon against their neigbours. Re Egeland, Israel has said the same thing about the Palestinians, usually in the context of a war crime it's just committed against them. Your poker-faced mate Regev was on the 7.30 report last night using the exact same specious nonsense to wriggle out of responsibility for his ubermenschen taking out the UN personnel. The excellent Jonathan Cook put it well: "The implication of Egeland's cowardly statement seems to be that any Lebanese or Palestinian fighter resisting Israel...should stand in an open field, his rifle raised to the sky, waiting to see who fares worse in a shoot-out with an Apache helicopter or F-16 fighter jet." I'm sure your mates in the Irgun & Stern Gang did that in the 40's.

As for your reference to "Jewish fanatics who set up the infamous settlements", they're simply doing now what their fanatical Zionist forbears did between 1948 & 1967, redeeming the land of Israel. Before or after 67, the fanatical Zionist project in Palestine was/is wrong, seeking to impose an ethnically exclusive state on the Palestinian natives. The world has no place these days for apartheid states.

You're still banging on I see about Zionism's other victims, the Jews of the ME, compromised through no fault of their own by the fanatical European Zionist expulsion of the Palestinians in 1948, and then actively targeted by Israeli campaigns to uproot them to boost Israel's population in the 50's and pre-empt the return of the Palestinian refugees. I've given you copious material on this subject elsewhere, but will you educate yourself?

Anyway, enough of history. You Zionist propagandists love playing these little games while the OTs and Lebanon burn. You have no shame.

Strewth

The middle eastern Jews left because of persecution. The Zionists enabled them to establish a dignity denied to them by The Arab states.

The Egyptian Jews were denied passports and Iraqi Jews were hanged in the city square on trumped up charges.

About half of Israel´s population is descended from these middle eastern Jews.

Muslim and Christian populations have been given passports equal votes in elections and have their own political party.

None of this fits with anti Israeli propoganda.

logic:
You amaze me. Palestinians in Gaza and Lebanese (& others) are literally being torn to pieces for no other reason than that they had the misfortune to be born on a block regarded by the local bully as his own exclusive possession and who is now at the height of one of his most vicious temper tantrums ever, and you prattle on as though this psychopath is a model of civilization and decorum. The bully commits crime after crime in your name, but you're so blinkered by your tribal mentality and allegience that you're blind to what's going on. Your sole concern is your tribe and what you mistakenly believe to be its real interests. You seem unable to accept that religious and ethnic affiliations are superficial and inconsequential in the face of our common, shared humanity.

Marilyn, inferior, how about different, I support what you say, we only differ in application. After WW2 80% of jews went to Russia, they are a part of every society, developing exclusive enclaves.

I believe in multi cultures, not multiculturalism. Multiculturalism always brings trouble. Barbarity as displayed by israel, is a product of religious expression, it's seen throughout history in monotheisms contact with gods other factions and non god cultures.

Jews, christian, muslims, have no thought for human rights, they must be right at any cost. It's notable to see, the reaction of Lebanese in Australia, how they all blamed us for not rushing to the rescue of Lebanese with Australian passports, not Australians in Lebanon. It's also interesting to note how most are women children and older men. Why simple, young males holding Lebanese passports have to serve in the army when in Lebanon, but because they are such cowards, they stay here and abuse us. Personally I would've left all dual citizen there, as its their home and they only use Australia to avoid supporting the country they associate with.

Its the same for jews and muslins with dual passports, they use Australia, yet don't support it's approach to life. The followers of god will always war, its the make-up of their belief. So human rights don't come into it. There are no answers to the problems facing the world, until god is fully revealed for what it is, a violent fallacy, hell bent on destruction.

Marilyn, we need to support the right of this country to survive the barbarity being thrust upon us by monotheists, only then can we think of others. Hard but rational, having this country torn apart by the fools of god is where we are heading, as can be seen by the replies from monotheists on this forum. They care for nothing but their belief, they're even prepared sacrifice their families for this despotic belief. Israel knows it destined for extinction, its only propped up from outside, has no other economy but consumption and war, it will fail, taking the ME with it.

In relation to the United Nations Outpost being attacked there was gross negligence or worse on the part of the Israelis. They were told several times at a high level that they were firing on the UN Outpost. An investigation has been organised; no doubt it will take long enough for emotions to have died down.

I saw a HWR spokesperon being interviewed a couple of days ago on the Dateline, he was very mealy mouthed refusing to make conclusions from the information he was providing about Israel using disproportionate force on an innocent country. It was almost as though the HRW spokesperson was an apologist for Israel.