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Deadly double standards sow terror : Comments

By Antony Loewenstein, published 21/7/2006

Israel's response is disproportionate and counter-productive.

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"WARN (added)
DEFEAT
DEPORT
DISPERSE
ABSORB! "

David what gives one country the right to utilize the sentiments you have suggested in the above headings.
Not that long ago we had a debate in Australia about pre-emptive strikes; Mr. Downer and his motley crew had to pull their heads in when Malaysia and Indonesian had some opposing views!!
You indicate you are a Christian; yet, hold very violent views. Where does the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" come into your assessment? Lebanon had not used violence against Israel; so what gives Israel the right to bomb the Lebanese to kingdom come?

While the Middle East has been a festering mess for years; this latest episode began with a few Israelis soldiers being held captive; now how many people from various nationalities have been either killed or mutilated as a result? Syria and Iran could very well be drawn into this conflict which would have a profound impact on the world economy.

When Mr. Bush marginalizes countries such as Iran, Syria, and North Korea by characterizing them as being in an axis of evil; then the expectation would be that they will take a defensive/offensive stance. Mr. Bush has failed as far as diplomacy is concerned; in the twenty first century gun boat diplomacy is not working.
Posted by ant, Sunday, 23 July 2006 10:15:44 AM
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NEWSFLASH

A positive development several hours ago:

"Britain last night dramatically broke ranks with George Bush over the Lebanon crisis, publicly criticising Israel's military tactics and urging the Americans to 'understand' the price being paid by ordinary Lebanese civilians.

The remarks, made in Beirut by the Foreign Office Minister, Kim Howells, were the first public criticism by Britain of Israel's military campaign, and placed it at odds with Washington's strong support.

The Observer can also reveal that Tony Blair voiced deep concern about the escalating violence during a private telephone conversation with the Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, last week. ."

see http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1826969,00.html?gusrc=rss

Hopefully the rightwingers, Zionists and congenital anti Muslims in this string have been caught wrongfooted ;-)

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 23 July 2006 10:43:49 AM
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Right bd you did say that. We wouldn't have this situation if Zionism didn't violently invade the area occupying it, then continuing to expand. This isn't a “clash of political/military wills”, but a religious war.

All your ilk, can't see beyond being right, so you advocate violence. Those unevolved, are incapable of seeing anything beyond themselves. I couldn't care less, whether jews, muslims or christians are killed, I care about this planet and the ethical life inhabiting it, not morons.

Your aware of history, but choose self interest to deny it, promoting the problems. I'm sure your second coming is upon us, as with the first, it will be accompanied by death, the backbone of monotheism. If we're lucky, our planet may be inhabitable after your psychopathic acts are over. If we're luckier, many of you may wake up to the despotic reality of god, those to blind to see, will throw themselves into the fiery fray and the world will be rid of your evil.

The veracity of your beliefs are fully borne out by your constant references to how loving and caring you are, yet are always prepared to kill for land and control, so you can be right irrelevant to the cost. Logic appears beyond your ilk, Hizzbollah didn't cause it, the belief in god caused it. Without god in the mix, there'd be no problem because people wouldn't need to be right, just acceptable and different.

Bd within 200 years, your belief's destroyed every indigenous culture, some more than 20000 years old, just to be right. If that's right, then we're beyond help. As god can only work through humans, we can but imagine the end it has in mind, with the example it provides in the ME.

It proves how insane you all are, turning the middle east into a desert bereft of life, because its gods land and you'll destroy it to get it. The true logic of a psychopathic mindset, not intellectually rational at all.

God's all about psychopathic control, through land and material gain at others expense, even followers.
Posted by The alchemist, Sunday, 23 July 2006 11:21:19 AM
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Are there any gods? If there are, could we just be tokens, in a giant game of godly chess? Do they care any more for me, than I do for my knight, when I loose it?
Or, are we just the naughty pet of these gods, fighting despite their wishes?
Redicules? Of course, but no more so than what's happening in the middle east, or on this thread.
If you want to fight, make it something important, like my "right" to have a smoke down the pub.
I don't drink, or smoke.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 23 July 2006 12:37:54 PM
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Scout,

The position at the present time is that Hizbollah has been implicated in the killing and attempted assassination of numerous anti-Syrian Politician’s in Lebanon, have managed to convince the president of Lebanon to use a militia to patrol their potentially, and because of this actually, volatile border with Israel. Hizbollah stated openly on Lebanese television that ‘Lebanon has a war with Israel, whether they want it or not’. They have also threatened to unleash a civil war if the Lebanese Army attempts to disarm them, all the while Syria looks on, waiting only for the go-ahead to move in and restabilise Lebanon.

Have you in your unceasingly pro-ceasefire stance made any attempt to examine what dialogue with Hizbollah would mean to the region? It would raise Hizbollah to the position that they were higher than the Lebanese government, that is why so many, including Ibn Al Saud, have condemned their adventurism.

Did you even attempt to access this site (I know it is busy now):

http://10452lccc.com/

If so, you would have read these articles, stating the position of many Lebanese, that while not supporting the civilian casualties, fear a ceasefire with Hizbollah. Why, as a journalist, are these peoples voices not being heard? Here are some of their articles:

http://10452lccc.com/english06/officer21.7.06.htm

Boaz_David will like this one;

http://www.canadianchristianity.com/cgi-bin/na.cgi?nationalupdates/060720lebanon

I know it is a minor trash tabloid, eminently worthy of your disdain (Washington Post);

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008681

Please do read these, and instead of claiming that I am arrogant, actually answer the million dollar question, why precisely are these people being denied the opportunity to state their position in this country? Why are we continually bombarded with the suggestion that everything in the Middle East is rosy, other than Israel?

I have researched my viewpoint, and whilst I do not agree with actions that cause the deaths of civilians in most situations, it is an unfortunate necessity in others, ce le guerre.

However, your position is sustainable if only these Lebanese, are less deserving of your support than those represented by Hizbollah. If so, there really is nothing more to say.

Inshallah

2bob
Posted by 2bob, Sunday, 23 July 2006 1:12:10 PM
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Hey 2BOB...yep..I read some of those links.. (the ones still accessible.)

I hope Jumblatt and the Druze, combine with Amal (Sunni) and the Maronites and rid themselves of the serial pest Hassan Nasrallah for good.

Lets not forget, the truckload of money being used to fund their 'state within a state' and all their educational and social work along with the Military is from..... IRAN. (Thats my educated guess anyway)

I want to make a very strong point here..so I'm going to SHOUT it :)

1/ HEZBOLLAH ARE DELIBERATELY TARGETING CITIES FILLED WITH CIVILIANS !

They themselves HIDE AMONG civilians. So, there is lesser blame in terms of colateral damage, on the Israelis.

2/ HEZBOLLAH ARE BRAGGING ABOUT WEAPONS CAPABLE OF REACHING TEL AVIV.

err..this is 'defensive' ? get real people.. each month which goes by, will see increasingly sophisticated weaponry amassed in South Lebanon and IT SURE AINT DEFENSIVE. So.... a pre-emptive strike is not only 'justified' it is ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.
By the way, you don't need missiles capable of reaching Tel Aviv to defend.. you need a lottttt of anti tank missiles and ground to air missiles.

Bleeding heart for the old and infirm and children suffering ?
really ?

BLAME HEZBOLLAH ! Send them your rage.. your anger.. your wrath.. your threats.. (whoever is feeling that way) ask them WHYYYYY did they not follow UN Resolution 1559 ? (disarm)

SOLUTION. Send them ALL (Men women children) from ALL the villages of South Lebanon to Syria and even Iran.

WARN
DEFEAT
DEPORT
DISPERSE
ABSORB.

problem solved.
Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 23 July 2006 4:09:29 PM
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