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By Syed Atiq ul Hassan, published 14/7/2006India and Pakistan should be encouraged to come together for bilateral talks on the issue of Kashmir.
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Posted by Alan_Bold, Saturday, 15 July 2006 10:57:56 AM
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When someone with an Arab and/or Muslim-sounding name writes something balanced and sensible, the usual gang of in-bred jaundiced lunatics comes forward to sprout forth their conspiracy theories.
Syed has tried to provide a sensible and balanced analysis on why 2 nuclear powers need to sit down and work things out. His analysis is especially needed at a time when forces in India are presurring the Indian government to end peace talks with Pakistan. The likes of coach, sudhir and others aren't interested in sensible and rational discourse. In fact, they are incapable of such discourse. Coach has never said a single positive thing about Islam. As for B-D, on one occasion on these forums he even ventured circumstances in which it would be acceptable to slaughter Muslims en masse. Fringe trolls like Coach, dee, B-D and sudhir are incapable of stringing a few sentences together, let alone writing balanced and considered articles like those of Syed. Posted by Irfan, Sunday, 16 July 2006 12:18:03 AM
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Fringe Troll
Lunatic Crazy ...... (thanx Alan) In Bred Jaundiced. (previous names were 'armchair nazi' etc.) Irf, (and Alan) can you point to ONE 'name' I've called you 2 ? Lets look more closely at the Author "Muslim sounding name" ? You betta believe it ! "Syed" THAT much alone denotes a direct blood descendant of Mohammed himself. http://www.answers.com/topic/sayyid Can also be used as title for a male muslim dignitary. Now.. the authors conclusion. QUOTE Time is ripe to put meaningful regional co-operation into practice on the basis of “give and take” and in a purposeful manner achieve positive results. This would help to build a common future for the people of South Asia. END QUOTE Unfortunately, while it is all very well for 'him' to make such generalized politically 'warm fuzzy' statements that all reasonable people can agree to, what does 'give and take' mean to the Key Players ? 1/ To Pakistan Government. Unsure, possibly India gives and Pakistan 'takes' ? 2/ Laskar e Toiba (L.E.T.) Radical Islamist group in Pakistan. India DEFINITELY gives and THEY take all of Kashmir. 3/ India 'status quo'. (I don't see that they want it 'all') Now.. this brings us to the critical point. 'Why' does L.E.T. see things that way ? This is a most important question and is the key to understanding not just the Kashmir situation, but also Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Palestine (Hamas) The driving force behind "Hamas, Hezbollah and L.E.T." is the same. The concept of "Islamic lands" (Dar Ul Islam) and that no Islamic land can be ruled by indfidel authorities. So, this, reasonably leads to a connection with the faith of Islam itself, and whether such a step inevitably leads to the conclusion that elements of the faith itself are the real problem. Hence, my previous posts. P.S. I'm sure Syed and his mates are great blokes like Irf and Alan, and would never 'call people who point out aspects of their faith mean names' :) Posted by BOAZ_David, Sunday, 16 July 2006 8:47:55 AM
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Negotiation over land ownership is never going to succeed when one of the parties is Muslim and the portion of land in question is considered to have reglious significance to the muslim party.
Even if, say for instance, the non Muslim party made huge consessions and offered a deal that was far more advantageous to the muslim party, the muslim party could not accept for fear of reprisals on their return home. When it comes to the Muslim religion, nothing is negotiable Posted by AddictedToStarbucks, Sunday, 16 July 2006 12:40:37 PM
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For centuries, the Kashmiri Muslims lived peacefully under a Hindu maharaja.
B_D, did you know that the term "Syed" means "saint" in Arabic? Did you know that Maronites refer to St Maroun as "Syed Maroun"? Why don't you go to a Maronite Church and convince people there that their saint is really a nasty Muslim fanatic? I could list other facts. But what's the point? People like B_D and others will never let the facts get in the way of a their racial and religious prejudices. Posted by Irfan, Sunday, 16 July 2006 1:08:04 PM
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Well done Irfan;
I am very happy to see that there is someone who can set these crazy monkeys who all the time talks nonsense and abuse Islam and Muslims. No one should be allowed to abuse any person on the basis of his/her religious background and no one should be allowed to abuse any religion. Due to these few members I quit writing on this forum long ago. I have also read Syed’s article.. it is one of the best articles on Kashmir I ever read… he has presented solutions….he has talked about peace and harmony between Pakistan and India. In fact I read his article in other international newspaper. Dear Irfan, we need person like you to back-up the international opinion writers like Syed.. please keep it up - Malik Posted by Malik, Sunday, 16 July 2006 1:39:48 PM
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You did not reply to the concerns I had about the level of writing in your feedback to Syed’s articles. I have read his articles published internationally. I found him a writer of very positive thoughts; he talks about peace and harmony in most of his articles. Now instead of acknowledging the end-conclusion of his write-up, I found you and some other crazy members, just abuse his background because we feel that he is from Muslim background. Even if he is a Muslim we should admire his thoughts more but I believe you people never give much attention to his writing… as soon as you find a Muslim name you just going crazy…. classifying him like osama, zakawi and so on. I am shocked when I read the feedback of Sudhir…the words he has used (pissed…) he should be banned to use this forum.
Come on guys, if you would like to provide your feedback on this forum you must have some ethics and your feedback must be logical accompanied with references… otherwise I wonder we wouldn’t see any professional writer to submit his work on this forum.
Dear Syed, I apologize for the misbehaved writings of some the members on this forum…. I can see in your article, you have referred the people of India as multicultural, multi-religion and expect them to be remain peaceful, harmonious and unite for positive relations with neighbouring India… this is a great message to the people of subcontinent… Please forget about these crazy members and keep provide your feedback on this wonderful forum.