LOL PTBI, I am only responding to you in the same way you treat Australians.

And listen here boy, I am sick of all your fake sympathy for Aboriginals - I am actually an indigenous Australian myself and if I look at the way you Javanese treat Papua, and also your horrible manners I shudder to think what you would have done to Aboriginals and all the resources lying under northern Australia. If somebody had to do it, I actually prefer it was the English that colonised this continent and not you Indonesians. No doubt, given a chance you would have extended your transmigration program to northern Australia after swallowing Papua - and now Australia would be in squalour like Indonesia. Most indigenous people in this country have some mixed blood and surprise, surprise, not all of us deny our English or Irish ancestry.

Learn to treat all Australians with respect and you might get some back. Fancy having to tell a grown man this simple life lesson...how sad.

@Kvasir:

LOL, what a hilarious joke. After I annihilate all your non-sense, you now try to make joke accusing Indonesians have interest in the dry deserts of northern Australia. Yet another hilarious display of exaggerated sense of self-importance.

The fact is, Indonesia is never interested in northern Australia just like we have no interest on Alaska or Burkina Faso. It's remarkable how infantile a person can be to concoct a fantasy indicating otherwise.

@Chris Shaw, Carisbrook 3464:

That website, Paras Indonesia, is run by some white trash who used to live in Indonesia. Practically no Indonesian ever visit that site and in fact that website was offline for years until recently because nobody ever visit it. In short, it's just another website who just copy-and-paste the contents of other website a.k.a internet trash. Quite useless if you want to understand Indonesia, a better wensite would be the excellent free online journal "Indonesia" published twice a year by Cornell University in New York, USA:

http://cip.cornell.edu/DPubS/UI/1.0/Journal?authority=seap.indo

Well that shows how stupid Indonesians are doesn't it? Northern Australia has the world's largest supply of uranium, 300 years of high quality black coal, bauxite, the largest iron ore deposits in the world, huge amounts of natural gas...And sorry; learn some geography, northern Australia is savannah - deserts don't have monsoonal wet seasons. Alaska would have been nice to take, all that oil, but how would you ever organise yourselves to get up there?

You know, no matter what you say I will never believe you. Regardless of how many times you repeat your insults they have no effect on us. The reason is that we don't respect Indonesia on any level, therefore your opinions and insults are worthless. Insults only carry meaning if you respect who they are coming from - otherwise they are a laughable joke. So when you say Indonesians don't like Australians, well, what can I say? Who cares? When your GDP per capita reaches a minimum of $20,000 try again then please.

PS. I had a peek at the "excellent" Cornell journal that you recommend on the amazing Indonesia. One of it's fascinating articles is titled: "Playing the Game: Ethnicity and Politics in Indonesian Badminton" how absolutely enthralling, I can't wait to read it...

The United Nations recognises that West Papua is the sovereign land of Indonesia.

After the George W Bush has been found to be guilty of illegally using Guantanamo Bay in Cuba against the Geneva conventions, by his own Supreme Court, and by his own US laws, he has a 10% approval rating in the US. The alliance of the willing is crumbling. Judgement has only just started.

Unfortunately for Australian neo-cons, John Howard and Tony Blair signed the UN treaty binding Australia accountable to international UN law shortly after Howard gained office. Following this contract, Australia illegally invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, as this was against the UN legal contract that they had signed. In breach of this law, the UN international court has the juristiction to prosecute the Australian Government for war crimes.

As judgements go by, the credibility of Australia goes down and the credibility of Indonesia goes up. Like it or not, the world is not listening to Australia any more as it no longer deserves the time. They are now listening to Indonesia, the sovereign owner of West Papua.

Like it or not, that is the way it is, and if you want to interfere, that is in your dreams. Get real. BTW, PTBI is actually a human rights activist who cares for the rights of the oppressed. This is possible, and I know PTBI would be the first to keep them on their toes too. I remember that conversation and I think he is sincere in his passion for human rights.

Australia is in no position to preach tollerance to minority groups, freedom of speach, or fairness. We can talk the talk, but do we walk the walk? The Aboriginal people don't think so. Many immigrants don't think so either.

saintfletcher

I agree totally with your last post. (Sheesh I must be going senile)

With the passage of time the half truths peddled by Politicians will be forgotten and our good neighbours Indonesia will still be there. Hopefully with an increasing quality of life and prosperity.

Saintfletcher says that the UN recognises Indonesia as the sovereign ruler of Indonesia - so what? In Indonesia's vaunted new "democracy" they should be free to lobby for independence like Quebec in Canada or Catalonia in Spain. Quebecois activists have been running a long campaign for independence from Canada, and the province has come very close to it in a referendum - so the campaign continues. I absolutely believe that a civilised country like Canada would let Quebec go without question if it met the legal requirements for separation. Why are Quebecois activists allowed to continually campaign for independence in Canada and Papuans are not in Indonesia? Let them test Indonesia's democratic credentials - it will be interesting to see how "democratic" Indonesia really is. I think I already know the answer...

And Steve Madden, Indonesia will become more prosperous when they put their noses to the grindstone and work hard for at least three generations like admirable Japan, South Korea, Singapore or Taiwan. It doesn't just "happen" by magic. And no excuses, no paranoid conspiracy theories...just do it. Indonesia should just focus on getting this job done instead of showboating around pretending to be the leader of the region. As far as I'm concerned that kind of behaviour just invites contempt. Indonesia has ALOT of work to do to make its country even barely livable. Foreign affairs can come after that huge domestic problem has been squared away.