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Putting God back in the church : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 13/6/2006

Is postmodernism just more radical scepticism - or could it be the saviour of God?

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Richo,

Yes you are right. Nag Hammadi was the place. From memory (which is getting much worse these day) two herders came across some buried clay jars buried in the caves.

I must disagree with your assertion that Thomas is not older than the Cannonised books. I believe Thomas was actually there, literate and wrote the collection of sayings before leaving for India.

As we all know, Peter went to Rome, and quickly realised a market in two areas. Women and death. Women, according to Peter, were allowed access to the Church and rich Roman Women, previously denied participation in Roman rites, donated considerably to the second, which was a burial for any person.

Paul, on the other hand, had no personal experience with JC. Paul was neurotic and misogynistic. In Paul's version there was no place at all in the church for women. Paul introduced weird idea's, such as self-flagilation.

By Nicea, there were about 13 or 14 Gospels, as well as the various epistles, only those that favoured the Paulean view were selected 4 Gospels, Acts and the Paulean Epistles.
Posted by Narcissist, Friday, 16 June 2006 1:35:12 PM
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Narcissist,
It is obvious you have no intelligent knowledge of the the NT or its writers but prefer to present bigoted imagined nonsense.

Remember Paul was born about the same time as Jesus the Christ and he had authority to put followers of Jesus to death only weeks after Jesus death. To say he had no knowledge of Jesus is mere speculation. That he was present and influened by the Jewish leaders that actually put Jesus to death would indicate he was present when they discussed Jesus in their conversations. Just that at the time he listened to the debates from both sides and switched sides when he realised there was more to Jesus than a radical teacher.

1. Please give references indicating Paul saw no place in the Church for women.
2. Please give references for Paul's ideas of self-fladulation.
3. Please give authority to the claim that Paul had no personal experience with the Lord Jesus Christ.

The fact is in all these claims of yours there are none.

Quote, "Paul... had no personal experience with JC. Paul was neurotic and misogynistic. In Paul's version there was no place at all in the church for women. Paul introduced weird idea's, such as self-flagilation."
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 17 June 2006 4:52:48 PM
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Good work Philo -

What non-Christians won't understand is that God lives IN us - we are His Temple, His Church, the Holy Spirit's residence.

Paul had a face-to-face encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus. Jesus resided with Paul and remained "in-him" until Paul expired his last...

As He promised, God Jesus never left His Church, and He never will.

The challenge postmodernist have is to believe God's claims without first entering His UNDECONSTRACTABLE domain of faith, grace, hope and love.
Posted by coach, Saturday, 17 June 2006 5:57:45 PM
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Hang on Mr Coach us non-Christians have always known that your god lives "in" you. In your head. No argument with that at all.

Paul certainly have some kind of experience but what kind is unknown, there if far too much confusion in the account and no modern doctor was present. If Jesus wanted to present himself to Paul then why didn't he just "meet" him like he met the disciples. Too much sun more likely or perhaps an epileptic fit.

The term "God Jesus" has me confused. Do you mean god or Jesus. Aren't they different entities? I have never understood this Trinity thing that Constantine dreamt up. Jesus seemed to think of his god as his father "abba" or "daddy". I know you won't answer this as any explanation of the Trinity in modern terms just looks plain silly and embarrassing.

You are right that you can't desconstruct faith until the faithful demonstrate the claims they make are reflected in reality. It would be like trying to deconstruct a fairy or a little green man from Mars.
Posted by Priscillian, Saturday, 17 June 2006 6:14:52 PM
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Priscillian,
May I state from the outset I am not a trinitarian; such is not taught in the Scripture. God is one, one spirit manifest in character, attitudes, actions and wisdom. God is manifest in the character, attitudes, action and wisdom of those that manifest the spirit of God.

As man, Christ Jesus manifest the very purity of the spirit of God to humanity. We proclaim him Lord as he is the exhalted one in whom we believe manifest purity of character, attitudes, the nature of God in action and the wisdom of God in human relationships. We do not worship the creature, but we worship the eternal character, attitudes, actions and wisdom revealed in him a creature, which such eternal character transcends the transient physical creation.

It is as we reflect upon his character we recognise our failures, and plead the forgivness of God and endeavour to live according to the life he manifest. We each are held accountable for our living and where we have failed we seek forgivness and reconciliation. The wisdom of that living will bless others, even enemies, while sin will cause injury to our relationships with others, even friends.

Now you will admire character, actions, and wisdom - it might not have the same manifestation as we see demonstrated in the life of Jesus Christ - this to you is your god. Examine your values and attitudes this is how you view your god. How you live in attitudes, actions is what you really believe about the spiritual values of your life. This reflects the very nature of the god you believe in. True worshippers of the God Christ revealed will truly endeavour to reflect the spirit as manifest in Jesus Christ. This is our God.
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 17 June 2006 11:15:15 PM
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Well said Philo.
I don't know if you are are a cleric but if not, you certainly should consider it as your vocation.
Posted by Priscillian, Sunday, 18 June 2006 11:10:24 AM
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