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The debacle that is East Timor : Comments
By Jim Morris, published 7/6/2006Contrary to the propaganda it was always just East Timorese against East Timorese.
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Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Saturday, 10 June 2006 8:01:13 PM
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@maracas:
Hey hippie, your despicable slanders against Indonesia is useless, it won't cover-up the bare truth of East Timorese incompetence. Your attempts to scape-goat Indonesia for the comedic collapse of East Timor is pathetic. Deal with it, your friend the Fretilin is nothing but a joke and East Timor is just a failed state. Prior to 1999 referendum, brain-dead hippies like you brainwashed the dummy East Timorese, saying they'll experience nirvana after independence. Turns out that is just your marijuana-induced fantasy, as independence only became an irreversible descent to hell for East Timorese. It is useless, no matter what you do, there is nothing that can sustain inherently flawed concept of East Timorese "state". It is beyond doubt that East Timor is much better-off under Indonesia. So, your joke about East Timorese "independence" only makes everyone worse-off: the East Timorese who is trapped in a failed hopeless state, Australians who must bear the burden of keeping East Timor from complete disintegration, and UN for the creation of yet naother failed-state cum basketcase. The only winner in East Timorese "independence" is Indonesia, who brilliantly expel this half-island, as now we are no longer burdened with the need to subsidise the hopeless half-island. BTW bear in mind, we Indonesians will not take your slanders face-down. We will not allow ourselves to be scapegoated. As our saying goes, "slander is worse than murder". You watch your smelly mouth next time you try slandering Indonesia. Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Saturday, 10 June 2006 8:14:02 PM
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Indonesian Ali is at it again.
He thinks it might become true if he keeps telling himself that Indonesia is not the corrupt neo colonial repressive state that it has become. Indonesia did not leave willingly, They slunk out of East Timor with their tails between their legs like the curs they are after burning property and murdering innocent ,defenceless women , children and old people who voted for Independence... The TNI and their militia lackeys were afraid of facing Australian Soldiers. I have no doubts whatsoever that Indonesian led militias ,criminals and thugs were involved in the efforts to destabilise the fledgling East Timor Government and Prime Minister Alkatiri. The East Timorese made the mistake of not rooting out the Indonesian spies and informers who still live there .Instead they embraced them in the spirit of reconciliation. Posted by maracas, Saturday, 10 June 2006 9:09:03 PM
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@maracas:
LOL, why don't you try praising Alkatiri in front of loromonu (westerners) East Timorese. I'm sure they'll dandily have your head chopped-off and your eyes gouged-out in no time. Pathetic dumb hippie, you keep scape-goating Indonesians, Americans, Australians, and everyone else for the failure of East Timor, while failing to see the obvious cause: incompetence of the East Timorese "government" themselves. It is clear East Timor is not capable of being independent, it'll always be a failed state and permanent basketcase. You're just too dumb to see this obvious fact that is as clear as daylight. As for East Timorese independence, indeed this was a gift benevolently given by our President Habibie, an excellent gesture never done by any other country. Too bad the East Timorese failed to utilise our gift, they've completely screwed the independence Habibie gave them. "The TNI and their militia lackeys were afraid of facing Australian Soldiers." LOL, is this a kind of marijuana-induced hippie joke? Actually your INTERFET soldiers in 1999 were just tourists in vacation to the tropics, with their accomodation and travelling needs arranged by our Indonesian soldiers for three months until we depart on November 1999. During the deaprting ceremony, your General Cosgrove thanked Indonesia for our aid in making the vacation of Australian soldiers in Timor an enjoyable one. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/purnomor/purnomor/UT0007469.jpg INDONESIAN SOLDIER GIVING WARM WELCOME TO AUSSIE TOURIST TO DILI, 1999 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/purnomor/purnomor/UT0007414.jpg INDONESIAN SOLDIER DRIVE AUSSIE TOURIST IN SIGHT-SEEING TOUR OF DILI, 1999 Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Sunday, 11 June 2006 11:57:13 PM
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Proud To Be Javanese.
Good to see you back online-you went quiet there for a while. I sincerely hope you had no friends or relations caught-up in the latest earthquake & all is returning to normal. Back to business: "As for East Timorese independence, indeed this was a gift benevolently given by our President Habibie, an excellent gesture' Since Habibie is in a benevolent mood. Would you please have a whisper in his ear about granting independence to the long suffering West Irianese & Acehese? Posted by Horus, Monday, 12 June 2006 8:20:06 AM
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@Horus:
LOL, West Papua and Aceh is an integral part of the Indonesian motherland as they are part of the old Netherlands Indies, our original claimed in 1945 consists of all territories within Netherlands Indies' borders. So, Indonesia will maintain integrity of our country within these borders to our last drop of blood and our last gasp of breath as mandated by our 1945 Constitution. We will never give up even an inch of our sacred motherland. As for territories outside old Netherlands Indies, we are free to annex or expel these areas according to the needs of the times (in case of East Timor, to crush communism). Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 12 June 2006 10:34:16 AM
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Indeed East Timor is not a viable state, the recent collapse of that "country" is bound to happen sooner and later. East Timorese "leaders" proved to be nothing but incompetent buffoons who are incapable of running a tiny half-island with landmass smaller than Bahamas. Their "military" and "police" is nothing more but a rabble of armed gangsters who enjoy killing each other. Their half-civilised people are nothing more but a bunch of violent people whose hobby is engaging in primitive ethnic-warfare.
Quite pathetic, even the worst African countries like Somalia experienced stability and functioning govt for decades after independence. East Timor, receipient of much international aid, collapsed into a failed state within 4 years of self-rule. Now the fat clown Jose Ramos-Horta is begging for UN re-colonisation.
It is good that Indonesia expelled this hopeless half-island from our republic so we are no longer burdened with need to subsidise this worthless piece of real estate. We are better-off while they are clearly worse-off without our supervision. Every year after independence, lack of maintanence means East Timor's Indonesian-built road network are shrinking yearly while neglect of education means illiteracy continue its upward march.
Suharto is right, East Timor is Southeast Asian Haiti that require more advanced outside rulers just to stay afloat. I'm sure what happened last month will be repeated over-and-over again in East Timor in the future. By wanting independence, ET basically committed collective suicide.