All points taken on board...(Mr Man and others) but I am reflecting on the social situation in England prior to WWII while Hitler was massing his arms and men. There were many who 'poo poo-d' the idea that a megalomaniac such as him would ever be a serious threat to safe ol England. Enough said on that.

I speak from a similar perspective as Coach, and would like to develop that idea further.

Most would have caught up with the fact of the Islamist coup in Somalia today. I hope all of those who are against the view we are espousing, will look closely at a world wide trend, of increasing activity by Islamists to gain power in any country which is either nominally Muslim, or in places with a significant Muslim minority or majority. The world is indeed polarizing and solidifiying.

The biggest problem for us, is that as a nation we don't have any driving belief system which empowers us to deal with the core of the problem, and this leaves us with dealing only with symptoms, as Coach wisely said.

In some ways this is one of the best parts of our Western society, no one forces us to believe this or that. (except the secularists :)
We have freedom, and choice, but as Paul said to the Galatian Christians "Christ has called you to freedom, but don't use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh"

When Paul said/wrote that, it was in context of "Law" versus "Grace"
The circumcision party were adamant that gentile converts MUST be circumcises and follow the 'Law' of Moses. The problem was, that they neglected the condition of the heart. Following the Law in a state of heart rebellion is useless.

During the Cronulla events, even though wrongly motivated toward violent confrontation, one young Anglo bloke shared about what an incredible RUSH he experienced as he suddenly felt 'part of something big'.....

Don't we all long for this ? It's best to be part of something 'huge' like the Kingdom of God, where we have freedom, but also responsibility.

Why is it so difficult for posters other than BOAZ_David to realise that we are at war? When posters complain about the restrictions we all have to accept, they should first look at what happened during the last few wars in which we were involved, particularly those mentioned in the War Precautions Act, 1914. This included:

1. The internment of whole ethnic groups (for their own protection, as well as that of the community).

2. The internment of Australian-born sympathisers.

3. Severe controls on communicating overseas,

and many more.

The other thing about this conflict is that it is a war of extermination. Our enemy does not attempt to adhere to the Geneva Convention, which outlaws suicide bombing, among other things, and so our enemy is regarded by us as unlawful combatants under the Convention, whose only right is to be put up against a wall and shot. Outdated twentieth century concepts of universal human rights have gone the way of internationalism when it comes to a war of extermination.

The best guide to such a war for us is to look at what happened in New Guinea when we were fighting the Japanese. Australian prisoners were often tortured near Australian troops so that their cries would draw the Australians out into the line of fire. There were many other atrocities on both sides, and that is why there have never been any of the reunions similar to those with the Afrika Corps, who fought a very clean war with us.
The last thing to remember that we live in the space age, but we all have stone age brains. If the average Australian were asked to choose between the death of 50,000,000 people in the middle east, and three people in a suicide attack in his street, the choice would be obvious.

Boaz,

Me and you arn't all that different, I value my freedom and I recognise my responsibilities. While you may see your responsibilities as spiritual or religous (which I respect) I see mine as political, I beleive I have a social and Political responisbility to fear authoritarian government.

You see this so-called war as an issue to do with Islam, and that simply plays into the hands of the government. The wars in the Middle East, Africa or Asia that happen to involve Muslim populations are the same sorts of wars that have been fought for centuries, they are about resources, wealth, power and empire

No anti terrorist law has stopped an attack and they never will. The laws are about economic dictatorship and sociological control. Our entire lives are being controlled, as our privacy is stripped bare and used to control all our actions and lives.

Make as many laws as you like, but nothing will stop those wishing to create division and conflict in our societies, until they are removed. Again we have the religious bigots trying to force us into a good religion, bad religion debate, yet they continuously fail to accept that the evolved in the world, see all religion as the cause of the problem.

Our political leaders are religious economists, from every monotheistic faction. Their only desire is control of society, enslaving the populace to a life of working with little return or support. Once they privatise everything, politicians will have nothing to do except take our money. After all their entire support base is corporate and multinational donations, without that support, they wouldn't exist. So its logical as to where their allegiance lies. You can see that by how they lie about everything, give us nothing yet support religion and corporations with our money.

So you get what you vote for and you constantly vote for incompetent fools. You always grovel at their feet when they make promises, even though you know they are lying.

It reveals the depth of real logical and rational thought that permeates our society, when you vote for lawyers, economists, union leaders and not people who have real experience in life.

Terrorism can only be stopped when we change our society to reflect the desires of the majority and not the insidious agenda of imported minorities and divisive beliefs.

Well it might seem that the fear factor is alive and working well, rather like the attitude of a mob who is prepared to forego commonly held views in favour of the radical immediate solution. Kill, rather than search for a balanced view.
Okay applies both ways when people react to the strident biased call of politicians and leaders. Death is such a voyeuristic joy when it happens to others.
The big ogre has been found. Some people do not like what the West, America and the UK, in particular, have been doing. Reeducation necessary.
Using religion as a tool in this situation is quite common, see the similar Catholic view as enunciated by George Pell.

Blowback, the term used by the CIA is alive and well and quenching it will not be achieved by sending troops or death squads.
Addressing the problem (s), for they are a number, and seeking solution together with, what our politicians often call for, but hardly abide law and order, international, that is police, is and was the way to go.
But no the West in its arrogant purity its self righteous attitude or is it merely economics and the thrill of power, had to take the path of the crusade.
For those who want, I suspect the voyeur effect fouls democracy, read some history, define terrorism rather than the thrill which our Attorney general experienced during a Jenny Brocke debate, of flesh blown in all directions and look for dialogue, not pride. The purity of our prime minister and others, preclude talking with terrorists fearing contamination or is it a good political posture?

Crikey! Talk about beinng caught between a rock and a hard place.

On one hand you have the rightwing, anti foreign, anti Muslim men (and a women) who frequently dress up their prejucies in religious garbs.

On the other you have "heroes against the State conspiracy" which doesn't exist. This band are not so much Left (which implies large State influence) as Anarchist ("politics bad, State bad"). Given a choice I prefer you to the Rightwingers. At least you think you're defending the little guy.

Fortunately our security services usually have various views but a balanced result.

aka Spooky Pete
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com/2006/05/australian-trial-of-muslim-terror.html