Belly I don't care about left or right. I believe in write and wrong.

Howard, with the Libs and Nats are doing serious wrongs and must be
dismissed from office. Some people including mabey you don't understand or forget that individual workers are the unions not the paid officals. It does not matter the name of the union you belong
just be glad they exist.

There are many other serious issues with this government including,
Snowy hydro selloff, medicare selloff and skills, etc etc
Most people need to know the facts, not about each union.

I don't think many High court Judges would ruin their place in history supporting such a badly written legal document.
Take a stand on IR, Support the rally/march on June 28 200

Sly while I admire your heated posts and the diection they take you wander from reality far too often.
Of course I UNDERSTAND UNIONS ARE THE MEMBERS! mate its my mantra, unions are for the members not some who ride for free some oficials are unfit to be floor sweepers in the building in ANY UNION.
Workchoices is unfair, it divids Australia into classes and creats povity!
Yet are you aware some who work do not fight against it? only 25% of workers are unionists.
Please mate!no offence but please read and understand others posts ,do not turn on your fellow travellers!
24/7 I live to see workchoices beat, Howard beat, and sorry but its my view from deep within my heart only a centerist ALP goverment will do it.
And only a centerist ALP can be elected!
The sadest fact is people who want a perfect world in the image they expect show no respect for the fact we can not please every one.
Labor must take on board wishes and dreams do not win elections, my aim is for a better party that gives us a far better goverment.
I respect you but lay of the lectures please my vote belongs in the same place as yours ,my heart in the same bin, my hopes in the best leader we can get as soon as possible.

Here is my last post in this thread, a unionist till death my only aim has been to defend unions, all unions.
Workchoices will not go away, even if by some strange chance the ALP won ofice and control of the upper house in the election.
Labor will need to craft true reform for IR, and my NSW Labor right faction of the union/Labor movement will remain both a target for insults, and the only team that can lead Labor to goverment.
And nothing less is execptable to me, however its time for the trade union movement to recraft its self, I think I did that years ago.
I beleave service is step one get closer to your members not just your delegates.
New ways of helping and uniteing are out there if you look.
And given only 25%are unionists we must stop driveing potentual members away with our factional warfare.
Labor and the union movement must not let fear stop us becomeing more responsive to the voters/ members wants and wishs.
Both rely on numbers to exist.
So to all those who share my views workchoices is a nightmare that must be defeated ,have no fear unions will strengthen and fight for an evolving future they will be part of , dispite Howard and some who white ant ,seeking impossible outcomes for a movement just fighting to survive.
And we will both survive and grow headed for goverment the ALP will set new laws in place unionists will then use that place to grow and evolve in ,after all following our members is no danger.
regards while I will continue to read the thread I will leave the go no place debate.

Belly I do agree with you. I fight hard and I believe the High Court
will find work choices unconstitutional. Cheers comrade

They will not.

They still place unfair costs on business, especially export businesses

Any way, a labour govt can pay the benefits you guys want from general revenue, thus all sharing in the cost.

You can always start your own business and revert to employment practices that you desire as we still have the freedom to do that.
But maybe I hear the echo of costs beat me. (This is short for, “I could not get other people to pay for my beliefs”)

Cheers comrades

Dunart, they will not what. Are you talking about the high court ruling? Do you support the Work Choices bill?