Thanks Ludwig and Wendy, getting somewhere at last. Sorry you think the migration act is a living entity Leigh, it is just paper.

Now to the notion of mandatory detention.

Let's suppose that Chad decided to mandatorily detain 250,000 Sudanese refugees and then process their claims. How long would it take when Australia with all our wealth and resources cannot manage 4,000 at the very highest for one year.- Remember Chad got them all in a few weeks and we watched.

Some of the refugees might eventually end up in Australia but these days it will take 17 years - but imagine the cost of 250,000 refugees locked up for 17 years without work rights?

Here is the lunacy of the situation. They use the word mandatory fo all people without a visa. But they only lock up people who come on boats while 60,000 people each year who stay after their visas run out are not locked up.

Therefore it is discriminatory detention so the act should be changed. It is just a law and can be changed, it is not the holy writ as Leigh seems to think.

The word used these days is unauthorised Leigh and even that is meaningless as the Migration act of Australia and the refugee convention authorises anyone to come here.

Jolanda, there is no requirement for muslims to live in muslim countries when it is muslim factions killing each other any more than christians have to stay where they are being killed.

Get a grip woman.

yo me Mate M . I think what Jolanda was saying was its better for them considering all they have been put through not to be expected to ajust to our imoral ways.
You know. foorty a cold can the beach with belly buttons showing.
Lets face it that sort of freedom must be real hard to take.
Then those poor people have to try to control their kids when they start doing the same as the Australian kids.

Those poor kids must then get so confused between the two cultures.

Dont you agree.
Its too much for the poor children of muslim laws to ajust to?

Thats what she was saying i do beleive.
isnt that right jolanda.

Yes Wendy, it amazes me how so many Muslims are so critical about the Western culture and ways yet they dont seem to see or stop to consider or critisize their own culture and ways or acknowledge how it has negatively impacted on their own people's lives!

I dont know about anybody else but I am starting to see we need to rethink this.
We just had two adults and a child of our own people drowned .
If people did not come unlawfully we wouldnt have to put our own at risk at god knows what costs.

As for rape and bashings we have those same offenses being carried out in regional areas in Australia.

Surley their must be a better way for us to do sercurity other sending our people out in boats after them.

The airforce must need to keep their hours up or something.

While planes are expensive it would be quicker and surley easier to spot people smugglers , then they could sent a boat or sea plane to intercept.

If anybody has any ideas on how we can keep our people out of dangerous waters in order to do sercurity it would be good to hear.

Mean time lets stop to think about the familys who have lost their loved ones including a child at sea when the boarder sercurity boat
went down.

Too often to take for granted the dangerous services carried out by these quite heros.

Its time to mourn our own lost at sea not breaking the law but doing their jobs.

Hooray for Wendy, we do need a rethink of this. Under Australian law it is perfectly legal to catch a boat to Australia and seek protection from persecution in other countries - the very fact that 98% of the Iraqis and Afghans are still here proves that point.

It's shocking that DIMA purchased an unseaworthy craft and five people are dead, what were they thinking and why are DIMA officials acting as taxis for islanders out there in the Torres Strait as that is not their job.

How about this for a plan - last year we squandered $12 million keeping 2 men on Nauru - that would have built 60 decent homes for aboriginal families, $73 million locking up people in Baxter and other places - another 365 homes for aborigines.

We don't have to lock up people to protect ourselves from them - they aren't criminals. We should be spreading the money available in different directions instead of wasting so much.

And taking the old Woomera tin sheds to house the aborigines in Alice Springs is about as insulting as one can get.

Don't forget this is a thread about christian Papuans who are being tortured and murdered by the same people who slaughtered 183,000 East Timorese while we watched on. Do we want that to happen to the Papuans?

If they had been able to fly they would not be locked up but would still be the same people so what is the point of locking them up?

If we get sensible we could settle two major problems with a swipe of a pen and allocation of money to different places.

Stop being a ratbag Leigh and actually think about it.

Sure Marilyn, and once the word gets out that Australia is taking in anybody who feels persecuted and wants to live in a Country where they will get support and help and rights with no questions asked, do you really think that only 'a few' will take up that option?

What happens, and it will happen, when refugees and assylum seekers come in large numbers. Who is going to pay to settle them and support them, already Australia is struggling to support their own? That money that you say that will be saved by not putting refugees in detention that should go to Aboriginal people, will not get a chance to go to Aboriginal people as it will need to be spent to settle and support those that come. When do we close our borders for the benefit of our own people! I believe we should do it now and spend the money on the Aboriginal people and on Australians who are in need. If we do not we will continue to go backwards and Aboriginal people and the disadvantaged will be the ones that will be sent the furthest backwards as those that come here seem to have more rights and get more support than our own.

Everybody needs to stop in their own Country and look at what they can do to support and encourage change there. Moving people to different countries does not fix the problems, it just moves the problems and creates more displaced people and issues. Everybody knows that when there is a mixture of displaced people and a culture clash in the end there will be hostility, violence and even war.