dalma

You are looking foolish for losing your cool by being suckered by a bigger fool! Have you not read any of the cretins prevous posts? Why respond directly to a baiter who is deliberately lying and fermenting your posting and points of order into lies and putrid responses?

Have you no perception of it's aims to merely ferment trouble and dissent? It is time to wake up and ignore the beatings of an empty drum.

Free to borrow my brick wall here, you will get a more intelligent response http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3

Perseus,
You are wrong is saying that so many of the people massacred in 1965-66 were Chinese. PTBI pointed out in one of his posts that this is an often-repeated fallacy and I agree with him on that. I don't know enough about these massacres and I'm glad I wasn't in them, but I would be 100% sure that the overwhelming majority of victims were native Indonesians - not ethnic Chinese. It was a different story in May 1998 (I was there this time) when Chinese along with Soeharto regime elements were targets of mob rage. There are credible reports that ethnic Chinese women were targeted for rape in these riots, although the overwhemlming number of deaths were looters caught in burnt buildings.

@Perseus:

It is Indonesia's misfortune to fell under the cruel Dutch colonialists. From the genocide that wiped-out Banda ethnic-group in 1621, massacre against Chinese in 1740, massacres of Balinese royalty in 1800s, massacres in Aceh in late 1800s to the massacre of 40,000 South Celebes people by Captain Westerling in 1946-47.

The Dutch colonialists instituted system of racist apartheid, with whites as first-class citizens, Chinese/Indians as second-class citizens, and natives as third-class citizens. They instituted legal apartheid in daily life like in South Africa.

The Dutch colonialists suck Indonesia dry as their life-blood. For most of the 19th century and early 20th century, one-third of Netherlands national budget came from plundering of Indonesian resources. It was our misfortune to fell under the rule of these poverty-mongering Dutch!

These whites reaped the whirlwind, they deserve what they got. In fact, Indonesia is too nice by only expelling them!

Thank God for our military, without their self-sacrifice, our freedom from colonialism would've been destroyed by the 200,000 Dutch soldiers who invaded our country after our declaration of independence.

Indonesians realise our independence does not come for free. We will always

And still, Proud TBI, you seem incapable of recognising even a little of the same colonial exploitation in your own treatment of the West Papuans.

Rogindon, I recall, when in Indonesia in 1979, speaking to a first hand observer of what had taken place only 15 years earlier. And he made it very clear that most of the killing was not mob violence but carefully planned and systematic murder by the Indonesian Army under the newly ascendant Suharto. He also made it very clear that the Chinese community bore the brunt of the attention because of an assumed proponderance of that nationality in the PKI (Parti Komunist Indonesia). He saw the bodies.

That is also why the possession of books and correspondence written in Chinese, and the speaking of Chinese, was an offence, still, in 1979 and much later.

And given PTBI's fully evident intellectual blind spots, his claims that this is all a beat up should be taken with a whole barrel of salt.

thats ok PTBI we all know you have a big tuff army and they gave the dutch a tuch up a long time ago. but can you not see that indonesia in west papua is the same thing as the dutch in indonesia. I think most of us would be happey if pupua got to vote the same as the east timorese. but we know the UN would have to be there we've all seen what go's down if there's not someone from the out side there

@Perseus:

LOL, Indonesian rule over West Papua is as much "colonial" as Australian rule over Western Australia.

And again you are wrong, read rogindon's posts, overwhelming number of victims of 1965-66 counter-revolution against communist coup attempt were native Indonesians, who made up 99.9% of PKI membership. In fact, PKI (Indonesian Communist Party) had specific policy banning membership from ethnic-Chinese community. The reason Chinese language/culture were banned was because PKI was aligned to communist China, hence the govt found it necessary to prevent communist infiltration from China by cutting links between Chinese-Indonesians and mainland Chinese. The anti-communist hatred was strong because PKI had launched a coup attempt before in 1948 while Indonesia was still fighting war of independence when communists murdered many nationalists and Islamic clerics.

@captaincook:

UN already consider West Papua as integral part of Indonesia by two UN resolutions in 1969. Hence, UN has no power whatsoever on West Papua. As for what Australians think, well so sorry but we Indonesians value Australian opinions as handful of dust.