Kekenidika
Your assessment is correct with regards to Timor Leste .
I might add that the sacked soldiers had permission to demonstrate peacefully for the week and did so. The riot started when provocateurs of non-soldiers consisting of mostly young unemployed taking over the demonstration on the final day even though Mari Alkatiri had reached agreement with the sacked striking troops to investigate their claims.
Employment problems for unskilled youths are more likely to be addressed with an increased budget next year now that agreement has been reached on East Timor's share of Timor Gap Oil revenue.

It is interesting to note that East Timor is not closed to journalists who can investigate the riots whereas this is not the case with West Papua where the criminal Indonesian military carry on with their oppression behind the cloak of censorship and their propagandists blame the victims.

maracas is right on the ball with the hole no journalists in west papua. if it was open to the world { not just australia } to come in and see a safe and working west papua then would we be having this talk? but we cant and we have seen how indonesia run's other parts of the world that are at our back door

and PTBI 1969 is a long time ago .and for some one who thinks our opinions are a handfull of dust you spend a lot of time reading them you should spend you time drinking beer and watching NRL as you think we all do

PTBI,
You are a typical bastardised warmongerer by your claim these University Students will be put to death. So you murder your intelligent dissenters under the guise of ethnic cleanseing of West Papuan independence "barbarians' [your word]. This is typical of the way Indonesia deals with social dissidenters. You follow the agenda of another madman Mcgarbie who killed all the intelligence that dissented against him and left his country in an unintelligent mess.

We in Australia live in a democracy not a totalitarian State run by military thugs and dictators.

Perhaps PTBI could explain for us all how many students need to be killed for each dead policeman? Who decides how many? Or is this just left up to the local commandant who just goes on killing until he feels better?

And more importantly, who decides which students get the bullet? It seems that 16 are already dead and there hasn't been the slightest hint of a Judge, a Court or a Jury. So tell us, PTBI, where does state sponsored extra-judicial killing fit into democratic theory?

And in such circumstances, one can only ask Amanda Vanstone if she would have offered the same advice to the Poles, the Norwegians, the Danes, the Dutch, the Belgians, the French, and indeed, the British, when Hitler's domination of Europe seemed like a fait accompli. Surely, such "toxic" notions as self government and independence would have been seen to cause no end of suffering too.

For her to make such a statement so soon after ANZAC Day makes it quite clear that the hideous woman spends much of her time with her head up her expansive derrier. Lest we @%&*$ forget, indeed!

@Kek-O and maracas:

LOL, blaming Indonesia for the incompetence of East Timorese govt. How pathetic!

Still trying to dream everything is nice in East Timor? LOL, ex-soldiers are now holed-up in the hills and are threatening guerilla war on East Timorese govt. Ethnic-violence between westerners and easterners are driving thousands of East Timorese into refugees. Still dreaming everything is OK in the failed state East Timor? LOL, you are just silly comedians.

EX-SOLDIERS THREATEN GUERILLA WAR
( http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,18920860-31477,00.html )

THOUSANDS FLEE EAST TIMOR ETHNIC-VIOLENCE
( http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,18983453-601,00.html )

@captaincook:

LOL, you are a bad liar. Any foreign journalists/diplomats are free to enter Papua province, many Australian journalists entered Papua recently. Not that these journalists really amounts to anything.

@Philo:

You dirty barbaric criminal sympathiser. These barbaric separatist "students" cruelly murdered and mutiliated five unarmed Indonesian security officers and burned their bodies! While, on the opposite side, there was absolutely ZERO deaths amongst the barbarians since our police are too nice and go unarmed and unable to defend themselves!

Make no mistake, in Indonesia if you kill people and mutiliate them, they will be tried and punished. Considering the violence of the barbaric separatists, they deserve the death penalty! Eye for an eye, life for a life! No amount of Australian threats will stop us from upholding justice and punishing these violent barbarians!

As for you, you are happy when the families of Indonesian police officers cried over the burned and mutiliated bodies of their husbands/fathers, don't you? You enjoy when Indonesian citizens suffer, don't you? I hope you fell into the hands of these five heroes' children so they can vent their anger on your face&eyes, you Satan!

PTBI,
I only have sympathy for the plight of opressed and bastardised people. You like the Indonesian military are incapable of justice and any understanding of human expectations for freedom and democratic coexistence.

No intelligent student even if a dissenter of the Government should be merely shot as barbaric. These university students feel the wealth of these mines ought to be used to develop the local people of these lands. This is what we do in Australia to the local aboriginals who receive royalties for mining on their lands.

The military obviously function with the same infantile behaviour as the students for revenge 'life for life' justice. It is time for Indonesia to move into a civilised world. The pen is mightier than the sword, as Jesus said, "those that live by the sword will die by the sword, put away the sword".

The rest of your statement is merely reactionary and not worth a comment.

Quote, "Make no mistake, in Indonesia if you kill people and mutiliate them, they will be tried and punished. Considering the violence of the barbaric separatists, they deserve the death penalty! Eye for an eye, life for a life! No amount of Australian threats will stop us from upholding justice and punishing these violent barbarians!"