Strewth,

I am hopeful I wasn't the target of your comments.

MichaelK,

One last attempt:

Before 1948 there was no such a thing a state of Israel ..ever.
Jews always lived everywhere in the middle east as a part of that fabric: Moroccon Jews, Egyptian Jews, Iraqi Jews, etc..
The 'state of Israel' is a reaction to the persecution and discrimination against Jews since the late 1800's.
The UN partitioned Palestine in 1948 to accomodate a separatist state (like Pakistan and similar scenarios).
There is no historical rights.

FH: Follow the thread. No.

Yeah, it’s really a problem

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Perhaps the problem is not speech, but reading and writing.
Posted by Philo, Monday, 22 May 2006 7:04:47 PM>

for at least a million of native speakers in Australia, but in my case it is rather unwillingness to comprehend a reality as demonstrated by a few persistent anti-Israel forum participants.

Reinstatement of Israel had started at the dawn of a last century and was then substantially derailed by a colonial master – the British Empire playing an Arab card in the Middle East. Eventually, energetic actions by the Jews in Palestine stipulated a diplomatic game at the UN where post-WWII beginning of a desecration of the empire has still been presented to a world as a gift of nations allowing the Jewish sovereignty.

Spell and grammar checking shows no mistake.

Well done, Michael. Your English is coming on. As for your comprehension of reality, there are still problems. So here we go: the British gave Weizmann the Balfour Declaration and backed Jewish immigration to Palestine, but when the idiocy of what they'd done finally dawned on them and they woke up to the fact that the Palestinians (who found themselves facing a settler movement which wanted to create a Jewish state at their expense) weren't happy having their right of self-determination compromised, they tried to cut back on Jewish immigration. The Zionist movement therefore turned on their British backers, using the kind of terrorism they now hypocritically condemn when practised by the Palestinians, and prevailed upon their new imperial backer, the US, to do a spot of arm-twisting which resulted in the UN partition resolution of 1947. This was followed by the ethnic cleansing of the natives by Zionist forces resulting in the takeover of 78% of Mandate Palestine. Hope that helps.

Strewth,

Michael K and co. support the re-instatement of ancient kingdoms, or homelands because that is all Israel ever was, no matter the cost.

Therefore one presumes they will support the re-instatement of the Kurdish homeland which will involve breaking chunks off, or partitioning bits of Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey and the cost of that will be very high indeed.

But, what's good enough for the Jews is surely good enough for everyone else. Then maybe we can support the Italians claiming back London and most of the UK since they, like the Jews, conquered and occupied it thousands of years ago.

I am sure it will keep us all very busy re-instating ancient affiliations. That is if we survive it.

Abbas: Ask the people
Hamas ready to accept '67 borders

In a surprising announcement Thursday, Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas said he would call a national referendum on the parameters of a Palestinian state if no peace agreement could be reached with Hamas in the next 10 days.

"If you don't reach an agreement within 10 days, I'm going to present the document to a referendum in 40 days. Within 40 days I will ask the people," Abbas told the Hamas leaders gathered at his Ramallah headquarters.

A senior Hamas official told Associated Press reporters that the terror group would accept the proposal from Abbas to hold a referendum regarding the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem if an agreement between the warring factions could not be reached.

Earlier Thursday, Palestinian sources reported that Hamas and Fatah had come to an agreement on the main points of contention between the two factions, with Hamas agreeing to let Abbas negotiate with Israel according to the principles of the PLO. The guidelines of the peace initiative were outlined in a document by imprisoned terror boss Marwan Barghouti, and also approve the establishment of an independent Palestinian state within the 1967 borders

Also on Thursday, PA prime minister and Hamas member Ismail Haniyeh said that his group would recognize Israel only after Israel makes a full withdrawal from the West Bank, Gaza, and east Jerusalem. He went on to say that until that happened, Palestinian "resistance" would continue.

Despite the negotiations, anarchic violence reigned on Wednesday, when a senior officer of Hamas' newly formed militia group was killed in a car bombing. Although no group claimed responsibility for the assassination, Fatah gunmen kidnapped four Hamas members later in the day, killing one and shooting the others in the legs.