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The 'Israeli lobby' mirage : Comments

By Colin Rubenstein, published 21/4/2006

If the "Israeli lobby" is so powerful, why does Lowenstein get published so frequently?

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And for anti-Arab/Muslim propaganda you need go no further than the ludicrous and hysterical contributions of meredith and his mates on this very site.
Posted by Strewth, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 7:41:17 AM
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How many on the Earth non-Anglos were murdered while upon generations British subjects “imposing civilization and democracy” on still seemingly less delighted? What about Britain-originated iron-clad land rights in Africa, Australia, America and wherever round “third world”? -and biologically motivated intellectual genocide still dominating the Australian reality?

Your instantly racist anti-Semitic stances on this page sound usually because you repeat them around this forum and eventually day-by-day at the Adelaide Institute or any other Australia’s university / any place you have been to.

Is it expressed in plain English enough you to consume?
Posted by MichaelK., Tuesday, 9 May 2006 5:25:26 PM
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Do you speak English?
Posted by Strewth, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 7:05:31 PM
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John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt made a reply to their critics at the following:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/letters.php

If anyone is still interested.

Rick Richman:

“In their reply, they acknowledge not a single error in their paper. Instead, they have repeated and compounded their factual mistakes. So, unfortunately, here we go again.”

http://jpundit.typepad.com/jci/2006/05/walt_mearsheime.html

Also of interest at that link above are the references to the Bantustans, as raised earlier by rhoss.

Also of note is this cross posted article by Benny Morris:

http://www.yourish.com/2006/04/28/1158

who was a source that M&W used in their article. As he says:

“Yet their work is a travesty of the history that I have studied and written for the past two decades.”

Sort of sets the general tone really.
Posted by Mr.P.Pig, Tuesday, 9 May 2006 7:43:48 PM
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Mr Pig,
There was some interesting reading in those links and most of it brought out in defence of Israel has been regurgitated time and time again.
Much of it is so weak it is funny. In defending Israel's 'weakness' we are expected to believe that a massively armed State, with nuclear capacity, is threatened by population numbers. On that basis then the United States is not a superpower at all, but, because it is hated by most of the world, really, a weak nation in need of defence.
Beyond all the he said, I said, they said, we said hyperbole and propaganda, stirred in with some facts, there is a stark reality which reaches beyond all of it:
1. Israel was founded illegally and immorally through the dispossession of others.
2. That wrongful dispossession has created this conflict.
3. The conflict has been exacerbated by the fact that Israel is not only a barbaric occupier it is a brutal coloniser. It is guilty of human rights abuses daily and war crimes frequently.
4. It is the Palestinians who were originally wronged and who continue to be wronged. Israel was and is the aggressor and the Palestinians are the victims. Israel, as the occupier and as the stronger party has the obligation and responsibility to act to free those it holds under occupation. If it does not, the Palestinians have every right to fight for their freedom.
5. Israel is hated and has enemies because of all of these things. Until Israel admits to the wrongs inherent in its foundation, ends the occupation, returns to original borders and makes redress, there will never be peace and Israel will never be anything other than an aggressor.
These are the simple facts beneath, behind, above and around the entire conflict. Sure, there have been wrongs on both sides but the wrongs of Israel far outweigh all others simply because the State uses terrorism to maintain an occupation and colonisation.
Posted by rhross, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:44:55 AM
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rhoss:

Assertion is the weakest for of argument.

“Live Chat with Shlomo Ben-Ami”
http://blog.oup.com/oupblog/2006/02/live_chat_with__1.html

A primary source, so if it comes to he said she said then… you have to admit it is a pretty good source. He was there at the time.

Go on, admit it. The Bantustans thing was propaganda, wasn’t it.
Posted by Mr.P.Pig, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 7:35:31 AM
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