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The 'Israeli lobby' mirage : Comments

By Colin Rubenstein, published 21/4/2006

If the "Israeli lobby" is so powerful, why does Lowenstein get published so frequently?

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So, the finger of blame is pointed clearly at the UN and the international community for allowing the partition against the will of the people living there and against the Zionists who used terror to remove people from their land.

How many Australians do you think would sit back and do nothing if the international community divided our country in half and ‘gave’ it to say the ‘gypsies’(who are stateless) after it was ‘found’ that their ancestors had had a homeland here some thousands of years ago? And yet you expect the Palestinians to sit back and say: Sure you can have it!

And you have to be kidding about Gaza. It is a concentration camp. It is surrounded by an electric fence. We use that to keep cattle in. When Israel ‘left’ it merely threw out a few illegal settlers and locked the prison gates. It kept control over entry in and out, that’s what happens with prisons; control over air and sea….

The Israelis, despite a ceasefire which Hamas has kept continued to bomb and shoot the people of Gaza. Oh yes, that’s because the Palestinians fired a few pathetic home-made rockets into enemy territory.The people of Gaza are not only imprisoned and abused, they are starving. And you think they are unreasonable for ‘responding.’

The Palestinian attacks are always in response to the wrongs of dispossession and colonization. Until Israel admits to those wrongs and makes redress there will always be a Palestinian ‘response.’ Just as other colonized people like American Indians, New Zealand Maoris and Australian Aboriginals ‘responded’ until they were given justice….

Either full citizenship, which Israel won’t do because it is a racist State and wants to maintain a Jewish majority or a separate, viable, contiguous State with reparation paid to all the Palestinians thrown out of their land by the Zionists and compensation paid to the Palestinians for the suffering, murder and destruction Israel has carried out against them for half a century in order to maintain its occupation and colonisation.
Posted by rhross, Friday, 28 April 2006 9:03:06 PM
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I have a personal friend David working among refugees in Austria. Most are seeking to learn English and German, and are 100% Muslim none are Jews. Compare this proposal by:

Iranian President Ahmadinejad Elaborates on His Plan for the Jews to Leave Israel and Return to Germany and Austria
The following are excerpts from a speech by Iranian President Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that aired on Iranian News Channel (IRINN) on April 24, 2006.

The following are excerpts from a speech by Iranian President Dr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that aired on Iranian News Channel (IRINN) on April 24, 2006.
TO VIEW THIS CLIP, VISIT: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1116

Iranian President Ahmadinejad: "The greatest problem from which humanity suffers today, the main problem facing the countries of the Middle East, is the continuation of the processes that took place during World War II."
Posted by Philo, Friday, 28 April 2006 9:14:48 PM
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Good God, He's at it AGAIN!
Posted by Strewth, Friday, 28 April 2006 10:00:25 PM
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With North Korean assistance, Iran could already target Israel with its 1300 km range Shahab 3 (No Dong class) missile. But with the acquisition of the Russian-made SSN6 missiles (known in the West as BM-25s), Iran has extended the range of its ballistic capabilities to now take in much of Europe and parts of the Middle East previously out of reach. Some of the missiles have already arrived in Iran, Yadlin said.

The disclosure confirms a report in the German publication Bild that Iran recently received 18 of the BM-25 missiles from North Korea.

In a lecture earlier this month, Israeli missile expert Uzi Rubin - considered the father of the Arrow anti-missile defense system - suggested that German intelligence likely leaked the report to the press out of concern the country was now within Iran's range. Rubin said he also suspects North Korea may just be a conduit for Russian missile sales to Iran.

The purchase of the BM-25s has allowed the Iranians to leapfrog over their Shihab-4 missile program, which has a projected range of 2,000 kilometers and has been under testing for nine years with spotty results.

Ha'aretz adds that American intelligence sources say Iran is at an advanced stage of developing a missile that can carry a nuclear warhead. Washington has informed the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) of the details of the Iranian missile program.
Posted by Philo, Saturday, 29 April 2006 9:55:41 PM
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Mearsheimer and Walt's paper on the Israel lobby says, "On 16 August 2002, 11 days before Dick Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hardline speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that 'Israel is urging US officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq's Saddam Hussein.' By this point, according to Sharon, strategic co-ordination between Israel and the US had reached 'unprecedented dimensions', and Israeli intelligence officials had given Washington a variety of alarming reports about Iraq's WMD programmes. As one retired Israeli general later put it, 'Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq's non-conventional capabilities.'"

Now we all know where all of this wonderful intelligence led, don't we? No prizes for guessing where bogus Israeli intelligence would have the US go next. And maybe Australia with it. Israel and its lobby were happy for the US to pick off its strategic enemy, Iraq. They'd be just as happy for it to pick of their regional rival, Iran. Must American (and maybe Australian) soldiers again be sacrificed to ensure that Israel remains top-dog in the Middle East?
Posted by Strewth, Saturday, 29 April 2006 11:15:28 PM
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Strewth,
Your intelligence on WOMD is poor. Saddam Hussein's chief of Air Force was recently in Australia doing a tour and he stated the weapons were in existence and were moved some three months before the strike to Saudi Arabia. Arial survelliance showed this was the case. I have ariel photographs and copies of reports done by the UN weapons inspectors over a period of a year prior to the entrance of the coalition into Iraq.

It is true the Americans stated they found no evidence that WOMD existed upon their entrance into Iraq. That did not mean they did not have them. They did have them and they had previously used them against the Kurds and Iran.

I would not base any ligitimate intelligence on things you are upholding to be true.
Posted by Philo, Sunday, 30 April 2006 2:19:40 PM
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