@Ludwig:

You are correct, the best thing for Australia to do is to stay utterly out of Indonesia's affairs. It is proven Australia is far too immature and childish to have any position of international responsibility. No wonder USA and UK is only ever consider you as mere stooge.

And yes, Indonesia of course is thankful for all foreign aid during tsunami. In fact, our president SBY came to Australia to convey this gratitude. However, had we known the immature Australians would demand our life and limbs as exchange for this puny aid, we would have refused Australian "aid".

We don't really need your aid, during the tsunami almost every country help us out. USA send a whole US Navy battlegroup (2 aircraft-carriers and one hospital ship), Russia, China, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Malaysia, Singapore, France, and Britain send larger contingents than Australia. Not to mention there are thousands of Indonesian soldiers doing humanitarian work in Aceh.

So, stop praising yourself for your insignificant contribution. Get out of Indonesian affairs! There is nothing that will improve Indonesian trust towards Australia other than Australia minding its own business.

Oh dear PTBI

You seem to be partaking in half-reasonable debate on the “We’re too desperate to please Jakarta” thread, but maintaining your silly extremism here.

Australia should have EVERY right in the world to try to influence Indonesian policy, and vice versa. This is the very essence of a healthy bilateral relationship. I TOTALLY reject your hardline insistence that we should stay completely out of your affairs.

What are you attempting to do with your very presence on this forum? Yes, that’s right – influence Australian policy.

“And yes, Indonesia of course is thankful for all foreign aid during tsunami. In fact, our president SBY came to Australia to convey this gratitude.”

Well, I will be amazed. Careful, this is cutting awfully close to acknowledging something good about Australia!

Oh, and thankyou for confirming by your lack of response for the fourth time, that it is indeed your intention to stir up strife on this forum, which will filter into other areas and increase polarisation and conflict between our countries.

@ludwig:

LOL, you're so naive. Are you saying if Australia want to have good relations with Democratic Republic of the Congo, you'll need to give the Congolese a say in Australian domestic affairs?

Too bad, Australia is so economically and politically impotent you'll never have and never will have any influence in Indonesian affairs. We, however, have political clout, so our govt can influence your govt to change Australian immigration policy.

“Are you saying if Australia want to have good relations with Democratic Republic of the Congo, you'll need to give the Congolese a say in Australian domestic affairs?”

YES. Absolutely PTBI. Congo should be able to express any concerns it may have with Australian policy, whether or not it has anything to do with the Congo, and expect Australia to listen. Whether Australia makes any changes to policy as a result is entirely up to the Australian government. That sort of communication is the essence of good relations. How on earth can you have good relations with a country if you can’t entertain that basic sort of communication?

I fail to see why you find it so repulsive that Australia can have ANY conversation with Indonesia and influence in its affairs. You are just completely off-track with this concept. Again, you are having an input into Australian affairs via this forum. So your whole notion is not only crazy, but you are being quite hypocritical about it.

Anyway, now that your intention to cause strife is absolutely confirmed, I won’t be having any further communication with you.

Unfortunately ludwig, most Australians are saying Indonesians CANNOT influence Australian internal affairs, while Australia MUST influence Indonesian affairs. Just read the article we're discussing. This type of arrogant attitude from a weakling neighbour is not acceptable for Indonesia.