PTBI,
We in Australia are civilised, and murder by any party even if by the military is condemned as criminal and brought to justice. We do not murder our citizens we have learned to live with difference, dissenters and Republicans. We do not send in the Military to threaten and destroy their homes, places of worship, gardens and rape their girls.

Quote, "How many people has West Australian "separatists" murdered? I am sure if they start murdering Victorians or Queenslanders, you'll very quickly think of them as terrorists."
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I must commend Scout for her posts here I could not have said it better myself

@Philo:

Australia is "civilised"? LOL, what a joke! A country that ethnically-cleansed its indigenous population, stole their land, kidnapped their children, annihilate their culture, and maintained racist laws long after it has become unacceptable, claims to be a "civilised country"? Too funny, you make me spill my warm milk to the table!

If only this forum provides a triple-laugh smiley for me to express how much laughter I am having now..

Philo

Are you feeling OK?

:-0

PTBI

While you continue to use perjoratives and pepper your posts with insults, you remain useless to the purposes of debate.

This is a shame as you are clearly well informed but you demean your own posts with your obvious hatred of our wide brown land.

:-(

> /Ignore PTBI
> The Command was Completed Successfully.

Recently, SBS or ABC had a TV show about a HMS Endevour recreation of Cooks passage through the Torres Straights. As noted by Cook, the currents and winds certainly discourgaged reversing his steps and sailing East.

Personally I think Australia should support any of the old Dutch colonial provinces separating from their Javanese overlords.

Instead of waging a useless war in Vietnam, we should have given Jakarta a bloody nose over East Timor, that they wouldn't have forgotten in a hurry (and subsequent Javanese attrocities) as well as their other colonial provinces.

Jakarta must be running scared that Deputy Johnny has paid up the ANZUS Treaty insurance premiums with out unquestioning lap-dog obedience to Uncle Sam's Sheriff Georgie.

PTBI

"we just love bitchslapping Australia as punishment for this little country's pathetic arrogant behaviour."

WOW...you sure do use colorful language. I cannot for the life of me find example or admonition to speak that way to anyone in Scripture... and I say this of course as you claim to be 'Christian'

Lets try to re-package your statement in more 'Christian' terminology.

"We realize we (Indonesians) have our faults, but this does not mean we cannot take the time and effort to point out aspects of Australian political life which strikes us as being extremely wrong, including an arrogant attitude."

There.. not so hard is it ? You might find that if you changed your terminology your readers will have more sympathy, but.. I guess you are culturally contextualizing your statements in terms of our own culture "Call a spade a spade" :) But there is a difference between telling things as they are, and plain annoying people. This is your next step, instead of going overboard, state your case to the point, without words like 'pathetic' etc.. because as you know...

"The judgement we give, will also be given to us"

Here is a challenge.. 'can you justify your manner of speaking from the life and words of our Lord '?

If you can, no argument from me, but I doubt u can.

It is not helpful to identify your anti Australia remarks with a 'nationalistic' attitude.. even I, will not suggest Australia is anything other than the result of all the things you mentioned about us. But this applies to every modern nation, including Indonesia.

Try to learn the secret of being 'colorful' yet not abusive.

It should not be forgotten that the Javanese Empire also once aspired to include much of present day Malaysia. And it was Australian and British troops in a low key conflict call confrontasi that ensured the territorial integrity of that newly independent country by outfighting Indonesian insurgents. So PTBI is merely carrying on with his cultural megalomania that sees Djakarta as the centre of all things south east asian.

And these people are capable of extraordinary linguistic contortions in support of their position. Note that PTBI is very quick to denounce separatists as barbaric but failed to mention that it was his, so-called civilised culture that had the gall to try and tell the world that machine gunning a funeral in Dili was just a quaint old Javanese custom that "insensitive" foreigners should take more care to understand. Don't worry, PTBI, we understand alright.

PTBI also appears to have condoned the killing of Mr Teys by some unknown, presumably government, agents. No court action, no finding of guilt after hearing both sides of the case, and no court administered penalty, just another state sponsored killing.

And when all this is added together I am reminded of the first lines of a book on Islam I was reading on the Sumatran ferry. It said, "a moslem is he from who's tongue and hand people are safe". So I guess that leaves out PTBI.