There seem to be six separate pieces to this puzzle.

1. The Indonesian Government.

2. The Australian Government.

3. Your average Indonesian punter.

4. Your average Aussie joker.

5. Your bloody reffos.

6. Your "aspirational" TNI Generals.

Items (1) and (2) have a great deal in common. Their elite are always consumed by the struggle to remain in power, dominate the economy and ensure a nice little wedge for their cronies in the process. Apart from the "rules" they use or break, the underlying philosophy is essentially the same. (1) is grasping for democracy, while (2) is losing it's grip.

Items (3) and (4) have a great deal in common. So much so, that it's difficult to tell them apart. Both yearn for a quiet life, shelter, food, water and happiness for the kids. The fact that one group worships a prophet and the other a football, is hardly worth quibbling about on this thread. (3) and (4) have vast numerical superiority and all the power in the world, if they could just get their s**t together.

It goes without saying that there would be no (5) without (6).

If only (3) and (4) could drop their stupid bloody prejudices for five minutes, (6) could be eradicated and we could get on with the job of cobbling (1) and (2) into shape.

^^ In this case, numbers (1), (3), and (6) are united as one entity with a common hatred for separatists and all their foreign sympathisers.

Chris Saw, how can you denigrate a fine people by saying they worship A FOOTBALL! Personally I think sports are only good for keeping people off the streets.
Now a fine drop of Scotch. Aha! Now that is worth worshipping.

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Notice I refer to Papuan separatists as barbaric terrorists, since this is what they are. There is no other way to describe them. Most Papuans are law-abiding Indonesian citizens who actively participated in Indonesian national and political life.

PTBI

I politely request to disagree, you have in fact referred to Western Papuans as barbaric on many occasions, such as

“These asylum seekers are barbaric Papuan separatists”

Please take note that wanting to be separate from Indonesia is NOT terrorism – it is a political goal.

A quick troll through your posts reveals the constant use of ‘barbaric’ in conjunction with ‘separatist’.

This is a pejorative term that you choose to use and for which there is no excuse.

The Papuans who desire independence from Indonesia are from the same stock as the people you acknowledged yourself as being:

“Most Papuans are law-abiding Indonesian citizens who actively participated in Indonesian national and political life”

Clearly not all Papuans agree with Indonesian rule. Western Papuans, as part of the Indonesian democracy have every right to freedom of expression. It appears that their freedom has been curtailed.

By using denigrating terms you are simply promoting propaganda against these people. That is not debate.

If the current refugees are indeed terrorists, as you claim, this will not doubt be proven in time.

Meanwhile, I reiterate that you do your argument a disservice with your vitriol towards Papuans and Australians.

Try to engage in discussion without the name calling and I will consider you seriously, continue as you have been and I will simply ignore you as beneath contempt.

FYI

An interesting and relevant broadcast, “Politically Pesky Papuans” from Radio National will be repeated on:
Tuesday 11th April 7:10 pm
Wednesday 12th April 4:00 am

With a full transcript available on Thursday at:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/

Regards

Proud to be Indonesian, you are an excellent advocate for the West Papuan separatists' cause. It is exactly because you treat them as barbaric and inferior that the Papuans have no choice but to demand independence. You support dictatorship, or at the very least authoritarianism for your country, and so how could they possibly have their political demands for better treatment heard? You also almost certainly would support TNI and Polri's right to torture Papuan activists. Surprise surprise that's why they were granted protection visas, bodoh.... How much time have you actually spent in Papua talking to the people on the ground their about their conditions and aspirations? Until you do that, your opinion on this issue lacks validity.