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The Bali two: deserving of a fair trial and punishment : Comments
By Mirko Bagaric, published 12/4/2006It is a simplistic mindset that justifies the death sentence for Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan.
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Posted by mickijo, Friday, 14 April 2006 3:29:54 PM
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There must be a dynamic shift in our approach to compating drug use. Currently about 80% of resources are spent on policing, while only 20% is spent on healthcare and education. This must be reversed! Drug use must be seen as a health concern not a criminal concern. The failure of policing is evident by the previlence of drugs in correctional facilities.
Posted by Tieran, Saturday, 15 April 2006 9:55:34 PM
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Dear redneck, resorting to abuse is a clear indication that you can't handle the facts or my arguments. Just to fire you up some more, here's a link about heroin deaths in 2003 for you. 357, not 1000. Do you actually know anything about illegal drugs?
http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/common/printfriendly.pl?http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200412/s1270752.htm Which compares to around 19,000 deaths from tobbaco http://www.quit.org.au/article.asp?ContentID=7484 And around 3000 for alcohol. http://www.alcohol.gov.au/guidelines/pdf/figures_fs.pdf Why don't you want to kill the pushers of these dangerous drugs? I hope it's not self interest. I'm sure you wouldn't indulge in either of these dangerous drugs redneck, and neither did any of your mates in the army when you were defending Australia from her enemies. No-one in the army drinks, do they?. For the record, I am not in favour of legalising all illegal drugs. I am aware of the horrible consequences of the use of certain drugs for certain people. If we could successfully prevent anyone from ever taking heroin, then great - but its not really working is it, and I hate to break it to you, but killing a few drug mules isn't going to make it work either. Killing might be what its all about on the battlefield, but it doesn't always work so well on social problems I'm afraid. The best way to prevent harm from all drugs is to educate people so that they don't use them, or if they do, they use them in a way which is less harmful. And finally, as for my supposed illegal and anti-social behaviour, you make me laugh. I'm so respectable I bore myself, and I contribute my fair share to this country. When I have kids, you can be sure I will be imparting plenty of pro-social values to them, like taking responsibility for their own actions, and that killing people is wrong. Posted by hellothere, Sunday, 16 April 2006 9:45:00 PM
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Redneck,
Your point is that you think capital punishment is a good thing for drug dealers. My point is that if you are going to impose a heavy penalty like death, it has to be done after a fair and transparent judicial process in which the defendant has every opportunity to prove his or her innocence. Firstly, if you effectively reverse the burden of proof for defendants facing death or 20 years in prison, you will automatically end up with innocent people convicted. Secondly, Indonesia only imposes heavy penalties on those who have few political or financial resources. Look at Tommy Soeharto. He only got a 15 year sentence for murder and that has now been reduced further. In Australia, the penalty for this would have been much much heavier. Thirdly, your facts are all over the place. Schapelle's brother was not arrested for cannibis cultivation or drug pushing and your post suggests that you would convict/condemn Schapelle on the basis of her brother's supposed involvement in drugs. So much for fair process. I agree we should punish the guilty, but not the innocent along with them. Posted by rogindon, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 2:15:33 PM
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If I were sentenced to death in Indonesia, with the alternative being 20 or more years being shut up in one of their gaols, I would prefer an early, certain death to a long-drawn out period of living like an already-dead person
Posted by tregenna, Tuesday, 18 April 2006 9:17:33 PM
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Here they get a few years in a comfortable prison with pay.
Probably enough to set them up to begin their filthy trade when they are released.