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Papua crucial to Indonesia : Comments

By Richard Chauvel, published 29/3/2006

Indonesia needs international support to help reduce its dependence on violence to govern Papua.

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What an extraordinarily inconsistent mind you have demonstrated, "Proud tb Indonesian". I have taken your last post and swapped the nations around to see how it reads.

"There is indeed a very big difference between Australian and Indonesian migration, your migration is a criminal and illegal act of landgrab where you inflicted physical and cultural genocide upon the West Papuan people. Meanwhile, Australia's legal migration into that continent is an overwhelmingly positive development for economic and social progress of native Australians, whose tribal customs were given the widest respect, whose political ascendancy we protect by law, and whose human development we subsidise.

Indeed, migrants in Australia have turned the provinces into the worlds food-bowl and they are the centre of all economic/commercial development there. Without these hard-working migrants, the economy of Australia would collapse and most Australians would end-up unemployed".

And before you get too far into your stereotypes, I can advise that my pioneer ancestors paid for their land in full to the government that sold it to them. Which is a lot more than your generals do for their logging concessions over tribal forests.

And furthermore, it was our farms that provided the social safety net for the aboriginal community who understood that an easier and more dependable way to maintain a full stomach was with a chipping hoe, a ringbarking axe or a brush hook. There was very little charity anywhere 150 years ago and least of all in the cities. And it was this knowledge, that a day spent weeding always covered the cost of a full stomach, that sent the urban unemployed down country roads during the great depression. You can demonise our history all you want but all through the Australian bush there are properties where the aborigines supplied the knowledge and the labour in exchange for the marketing and administrative skills of the nominal white "owner". As one of the Durack family said, "if there was exploitation, it was mutual".

But of course, in your mind "mutual benefit" only takes place in Indonesia while "genocide and dispossession" only occurs in Australia.
Posted by Perseus, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 12:48:43 PM
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People dont flee their homeland and undertake perilous sea voyages during the monsoon season and plead for asylum from persecution without cause.
Indonesian indignance and demand they be returned seeks to play down the facts of continuing Papuan repression which is attracting increasing International sympathy for the Independence claims and a properly conducted referendum of indigenous Papuans as was conducted in relation to East Timor.

Academics can interpret the future prosperity of Indonesia as needing Papua to maintain injections into their economy,but they do not have the right to sellout the aspirations of independence for Papuans.
Just because Papua was included in the Dutch East Indies Colonial Empire does not mean the new nation of Indonesia had inherited those Colonial possessions.

Despite the assertions by Indonesian Nationalists that Papua belongs to them because of the rigged referendum, Papuans will continue to press their demands for Independence. Recent unrest and killings followed by Indonesian Military retaliation only serve to strengthen the demand for Independence.
There will undoubtedly be more People attempting to flee from persecution who may well be turned back as a result of increased surveillance by Indonesia and Australia under the Howard Governments policy on asylum seekers.
President Susilio Bambang Yudohono has not succeeded in reigning in the excesses of the Military who are resisting civilian control and this fact can only exacerbate the present state of institutional corruption that will eventually bring about the demise of yet another regime.
Indonesia has yet to experience true democracy that was the original aspiration of the people.
Posted by maracas, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 1:03:15 PM
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@Perseus:

Cut the crap and show Aborigines the money! Either you compensate them for their land, or you tell the govt to pay them. None of your excuses can justify the horrible fate of Aborigines.

@maracas:

These Papuan "refugees" are self-proclaimed separatists who made this journey as method of dirty propaganda on Indonesia.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Friday, 7 April 2006 5:02:25 PM
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Proud to be Indonesian, you say,'the Muslim TRANSMIGRANTS are there to relieve overpopulation in their home provinces.'
Isn't that another word for 'invasion?'
Does that mean that any country with no form of birth or population control can, when they overpopulate,take control of a weaker country for the purpose of over populating that one as well.
When does it stop?
Posted by mickijo, Monday, 10 April 2006 3:26:32 PM
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@mickijo:

LOL, again you show your complete ignorance on Indonesia. Actually Indonesia received UN award for the most successful birth control program in the world (KB=Keluarga Berencana). You, a white squatting on stolen Aboriginal land, displaying ethnic-racism against Indonesians settling in their own country is disgustingly bemusing. Instead of stupidly trying to tell Indonesians what to do or where to live in their own country, do the decent thing: give back the land you stole from Aborigines and return to your real home in England or Ireland!
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Monday, 10 April 2006 4:00:39 PM
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Ashamed to be Indonesian ?

Indonesian birth control is another word for ethnic /religious cleansing. It can hardly qualify as a democratic country when it has to use military repression to control the population.
The extremes of poverty and wealth only continue to exist whilst the resources of the region are plundered to make the rich even rich.You should be ashamed to express pride in such a corrupt country.However I must assume you are a propagandist enjoying the wealth of the country at the expense of the people. You dont fool anyone.
Posted by maracas, Monday, 10 April 2006 4:54:18 PM
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