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Papua crucial to Indonesia : Comments

By Richard Chauvel, published 29/3/2006

Indonesia needs international support to help reduce its dependence on violence to govern Papua.

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Among the stated aims of the Bandung Conference, 1955, of newly-independent Afro-Asian states (including Indonesia), was opposition
to colonisation.
Ausralia's presence in Papua New Guinea came under so much pressure
that the work on preparing PNG for nationhood was cut short, as Australia pulled out; to the dismay of the colonised.
Apparently it is only "colonialism" if it is practiced by caucasians.
Posted by gulliver, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 3:45:12 PM
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West Papua belongs to the ethnic Papuals regardless of the so called
"Act of Free Choice" conducted in haste by the United Nations and despite the Javanese transmigration and foreign resources plunder of the Papuan's wealth.
The Papuans need International support,to recover their birthright from the shameful act of treachery that delivered their heritage into the control of the Javanese usurpers;not the other way round.

The Indonesians were affronted when East Timor slipped from their grasp due to the brutality and corruption they perpetrated on the East Timorese people for 24 years.... They chose to blame Australia when we moved in to stop the carnage that was deliberately carried out as an act of revenge when the people overwhelmingly voted under the auspices of the U.N. for Independence.

The East Timorese might have accepted 'autonomy' if the Indonesians had been more benign colonisers instead of permitting their Generals to enrich themselves at the expense of the populace...
And so it is with the West Papuans...Ethnic people have been displaced by massive transmigration and the village people have not enjoyed the fruits of their country's exploited resources..

I am disgusted with the Australian Government's continuing grovelling
afraid of losing trade when they should continue to stand up for justice and basic principles of Democracy.

If Indonesia are offended ,then so be it.
They won't get any sympathy from me.
Posted by maracas, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 9:58:19 PM
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Bull thinks Australia should be at war with Indonesia, and others are disgusted that Australia is not doing more for West Papua. All are entitled to their opinions, but they are not entitled to think that an entire nation and its people should do what they want. They are also able to think that Australia should put other countries to rights and save people from what they see as acts of brutality, but Australia has no such obligation or right to interfere in Indonesia. Indonesia could not be expected to tolerate another East Timor.

The majority of Australians and Indonesians have no desire to be at odds with each other over a handful of asylum seekers who, if they really needed asylum, could have hopped the border into East Timor. Instead, they took an ocean cruise to Australia where they knew they could look forward to spending the rest of their lives in relative luxury at the expense of the Australian taxpayer.

All those people who 'know' what should be done can join any number of groups who love to interfere in things they don't understand, but they should leave the rest of us out of it, thankyou.
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 30 March 2006 9:50:36 AM
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We clearly have two opposing views of what the Papuan's want. One side is telling us that they all want to be part of the Javanese Empire while the other is telling us that they all want independence. The truth, however, is somewhere in the middle.

The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights makes it clear that it is neither the Javanese nor the Australian choice as to what the Papuan's status will be. The sole determinant of the status of Papuans is the Papuan people themselves.
See http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/1976/5.html

"Article 1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development".

And if our proud Indonesian friend is so certain that Indonesia has the informed consent of Papuans for their current status then the easiest way to end all the speculation is to hold another "act of free choice". There is no international principle that restricts the Papuans to only one vote back in 1969. They have every right to demand and vote on self determination, any time THEY choose.

And any talk about the impact of such a choice on the Javanese Empire is irrelevant. The Papuan's choice is not subject to any sort of "Javanese Benefit Test" and nor is it subject to any "Australian Benefit Test".

Indonesia's failure to respect the very article that formed the basis of their own independence from colonialism implies that their own independence can be made subject to the will of others.
Posted by Perseus, Thursday, 30 March 2006 11:09:04 AM
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@Remco:

Yes, Papua's integration with Indonesia is completely legal. Nothing you or any other Australian yobbo say can change this fact. Deal with it.

@Bull:

LOL, Australia want to make war with Indonesia? What a joke. Australia has neither the capability nor military competence to "invade" anybody, especially a larger and stronger country like Indonesia. If you are still suicidal, we 250 million Indonesians will make you pay with blood for each time the dirty feet of Australian invader dare to touch sacred Indonesian soil. What the US is experiencing in Iraq would be childsplay compared to the carnage we'll inflict on your asses. We Indonesians will fight to the last drop of blood to defend our sacred motherland!

@Narcissist:

LOL you must be joking. The UK actually posts one-third of its military in Northern Ireland to maintain law and order amongst the Brit-haters Irish separatist micks. In the process, over 1500 British soldiers were killed. Even now, there are more British soldiers posted in Northern Ireland compared with Iraq. Spain has also used its military to deal with ETA terrorists. France has 300,000 standing army which undoubtedly be used should a group, say the French Muslims who managed to rampage France for weeks without much opposition last year, decided to launch armed insurgency. The US used its military to crush the violent Waco, Texas religious fanatics in 1993. In short, yes, democracies always has and always will use its armed forces against internal security threats.

@kekkendika:

LOL, Indonesian elections are always open to domestic and foreign observers. In 1999 and 2004 elections, Jimmy Carter came with 2000 of his employees to monitor our elections. They all found Indonesian elections to be free, fair, and without any intimidation.

BTW actually Aceh is 100% under effective Indonesian rule, the weak rebellion movement there having surrendered in 2005.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Saturday, 1 April 2006 11:53:28 AM
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@baraka:

WTF are you babbling about? From a few discrenable parts of your babble, here's my response:

1) Australia acknowledged Indonesian rule over Papua because it has no choice, the province has been ruled by Indonesia since 1963, and is acknowledged internationally since 1969. Nothing Australia say or do can affect the fact that Papua is Indonesian.

2) LOL, Australia cannot stop 8000 simple Indonesian fishing boats from fishing in "Australian" waters annually and landing in Australian mainland at will. It is clear Australia has no military capability at all to disturb Indonesian territory.

@Perseus:

LOL I think you play too much game, boy. There is no such thing as "Javanese Empire", while West Papuans already chose to join Indonesia in a UN-supervised referendum in 1969. Deal with it.

@Leigh:

Indeed, Australia should learn the principle of MYOB, especially when dealing with its more powerful neighbours like Indonesia, with which Australia neither exerts any influence nor possess any power. Australians should learn their position in the food chain of Asian regional affairs, i.e. at the very bottom aka you have no power at all. Australia then should behave according to this lowly position.
Posted by Proud to be Indonesian, Saturday, 1 April 2006 11:59:40 AM
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