Hamlet...

that is EXACTLY how I see it, because that is how the Scriptures TEACH IT.... Haleluhah brother.. they 'get' it at last :)

and thanx for elucidating it as well as you did....

It boggles the mind, that I say the same kind of thing you did, but am perceived as saying something else.. I usually just quote the scripture, or emphasise it is in a sacrificial, giving way... yet.. for some reason, that is filtered out by those who desire to portray me as believing something else.

Cheers

Scout suggests only “a minority of women" want to treat men unequally. However, only these “minority” women are put forward as lobbyists and candidates for political power. If other women have different views, why are they silent in the political debate?

The “No to Violence Against Women” advertisements show how the anti-male agenda coopts public funding. Various Parliamentary Committees accepted Family Law should be updated to give men and kids a better deal. This ad campaign was initiated in response. Despite test responses that the ads were too gender biased, the TV ads aired in 2005.

So far in 2006, the TV ads aired during 2 short periods only. Firstly, when the final reforms to Family Law were debated in House of Reps, and secondly when the reforms were debated in the Senate. A strange coincidence, or evidence of the true agenda?

Scout's other beliefs – i.e. a balanced gender split in power will create non-discriminatory policy; and a male leader prevents discrimination against males - are also naive. Consider Nicholson’s Family Court as an example.

Scandinavian countries achieved significant advances by good social policy, rather than a spiteful anti-male war. Swedish parents get 18 months combined paid baby-leave. Couples decide how to split the total 18 months leave, but fathers must take a minimum of 6 months. Mothers are limited to a max of 12 months, but a father can take the whole 18 months. Shared parenting after divorce is common. As a result, these countries have high female representation in their parliaments.

But Australian women continue to follow the lead of US anti-male warriors. This hasn't produced “Scandinavian” social gains in either country, but it gives a few female writers and lobbyists a good lifestyle.

We've improved behaviour in the Australian workplace significantly. We are more polite and respectful of different cultures and genders, and emotional or physical eruptions aren’t accepted.

But we haven't made the same progress in domestic behaviour. This is because, in domesticity, the focus is on blaming men, rather than looking at what behaviours are positive, and what behaviours are negative (gender aside).

Seeker

1. I have never claimed to be gender neutral - last time I looked I was all woman.

2. I am all for reform of the Family court system - have you not read any of my posts? I have raised a lot of objections to the way they are run.

3. I still feel sorry for you because a quick scroll through your posts on OLO reveals a deep hatred for women - all women. You never say anything postive about them. It is one thing to be hurt by someone another to blame everybody.

4. You haven't addressed the issue that even though men control the bulk of power, other men are CLEARLY not treated equally in the family system. Why? Women are dominate only to middle management level and I have already discussed some of their failings on this thread.

5. You have not apologised for failing to acknowledge me when you used quotes from my posts. I would acknowledge you.

BD & Hamlet

1. Hamlet well said - however leadership is not the prerogative of the male; it applies to females as well. Relationships are about team work not who is boss.

2. Whatever happened to leading by example?

3. Unfortunately I do “get” BD’s idea of marriage – which is why I reject it. I believe marriage to be an equal partnership between two people who love and respect each other, who want to make their lives together.

to be continued

Cabbage
1. I stated in one of my earlier posts that: >>Perhaps the campaign slogan should read:

“Domestic Violence, AUSTRALIA SAYS NO"<<

2. I am not so naive as to believe that equal representation of women in all facets of our society will bring about some sort of miraculous peace. Have you read ANY of my posts?

I have not ever presented women as being better than men. However, we DO make up 51% of the population and yet are not represented fairly and equitably in all areas of decision making. Therefore, we cannot even begin to make improvements to many areas of injustice both for men and women.

3. Don't men want to share the burden? Men should be as free to choose their lifestyles as much as women. Not all men want dynamic careers. And not all women want to be mothers. Somewhere there is a happy medium, but it certainly isn't here. I think I would be correct in saying that I am the only female poster to this thread.

Finally
My view isn't necessarily that of other women. I don't speak for all women any more than the male posters here speak for all men. Seems to me that most of the male posters here have an axe to wield either as a result of a bad relationship or to push a religion.

It is a shame that gender inequity exists on OLO as well. Given the vitriol I receive from so many so frequently for simply daring to speak my mind, I have had to develop a pretty thick skin.

Perhaps, if people treated each other with a little more respect, more women would post here. Then again, I don't have a family to tend to, so maybe it is only the men who have the time to spend online.

Scout,
You have my respect for your courage, honesty and openness.

And most of all – for your perseverance in the face of narrow minded world views. You still have the strength to discuss and respond while I am tired of trying to untangle the knotted ‘logic’ or ‘truth’ some use to push their point of view.

Keep it up. You do yourself proud.

'Here we have a field of law that is the most prone to vexatious litigation, most prone to false and misleading testimony, most prone to defamatory material, most prone to misrepresentation with the intent to gain monetary advantage, and most prone to false and unsubstantiated accusation.'

This is misinformation. Infact, if women do make allegations of domestic violence, they will be perceived as hostile towards the father, and not supportive of the father/child relationship. To maintain their status as residential parent, they must be seen to be supportive of contact between father and child.

Considering it is so difficult to prove domestic violence, making allegations of domestic violence can and does disadvantage women in the Family Law Court.