Whilst not a fan, John Howard is a very astute politician... and if the alleged AWM scandal doesn't stop him nothing will.

Most people accept that Mr Keating was not a good PM. But through the Hawke-Keating years they invented some systems that Howard has used very effectively.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

It was Labor who set up Centrelink
It was Labor who created the refugee camp
It was Labor who started the privitization push
It was Labor who floated the dollar
It was Labor who introduced Uni fees
It was Labor who lessened Union power
It was Labor who introduced Medicare.

So on all these issues, when a negative arises, Howard can always argue that Labor introduced it. And Labor just has to cop it, Kim was there through the entire process.

Labor were certain they were going to win the GST election by having no new tax plan. How smug and self centred was that? They lost the unloseable election!

The high interest rates in Keatings reign were a world wide trend BUT we raised them far too quickly causing the recession Keating said "was the recession we had to have"... With people going to the wall he said that!

PLUS Keating taught the Libs how to attack in parliament and boy do they do it well.

Now the world has lower interest rates, ours are actually high compared with other countries. The Howard Govt can gloat about "low interest rates" even though untrue in world terms but true compared it to the Keating years. Local interest rates are what Aussie's watch!

So Howard really is the Lucky Man in the Lucky Country at a lucky time. But with the AWM allegations his luck may just have run out!

Labors 10 years in opposition is a reflection of a party that fails to heed warnings and listens only to it's advisors instead of the public. Even the search for answers by Hawke didn't include the general public.

Well done Labor you have made Howard look so much better than he really is!

All- I engage people like you because I no a snob - not because your ideas are sensible. And I am sure you and others are prejudiced. Why?

Recently I was having a little joust with Hamlet. Hamlet seems very learned. I come to my PC and just write pretty well off the top of my head. Rainer don’t say it. So when Hamlet asked me what rules or tenets are mine (rules, tenets pretty much the same thing Hamlet - you were just digging yourself out that hole with semantics), with my warped sense of humour, I decided to play a little trick.

I posted some rules for some cultural exchange. Now Hamlet suggested that they were from “Hamlet” the play. Hamlet the poster - did I mention usury (wish I had)? Nevertheless, kudos to Hamlet for there is a lot of similarity between the two.

The point that I made is clear. All- you and other anti-liberal naysayers need the thing tagged, labelled or coloured before you react. You are incapable of thinking for yourselves. Are you party or group hacks?

Those rules were mostly communist forms of self-restraint which could be deemed morals. If I had said, “here are some communist rules”, you and yours would have jumped all over me.

The rules are, indeed ,according to Hamlet (sorry mate), comparable to Shakespearian advice. Good old conservative English thinking there. I could pick some of those rules to pieces but what the f*ck would I know. Most are clearly are sit down rules. I do try to live by the good ones which are in the Bible also.

But then what the f*ck do you lot know either. You need the words of a Democrat, homosexual, leftie, Muslim, immigrant, blackfella, liberal, and so on to be connected a to a form of identity to kick your prejudices and bigotry into gear. The Liberals have you all conned into making face value assessments and judgements. Come on retrospective experts time to exercise that prejudice. (Templar)

On a global scale Australia is a little tin-pot economy that gets blown along in the international economic breeze. The best any Oz govt can hope is to soften the blows. Sorry about the mangled metaphors.

Howard is still where he is because he's been lucky enough to reign while the world economy was strong (refer to enormous and growing trade deficits in Western nations for reasons to abandon smugness - ours is alarming) and because timely scary things have fallen into his lap (all those scary children in the water pre-election).

Eventually the political pendulum will swing back the other way and the current batch of happy Howard supporters will be whining from the sidelines about Labor. Let's hope for their sake that voters remember the consequences of anybody having the majority in both houses

It is not so Chainsmoker.Our country prospered under the Howard Govt when the the Asian Tigers failed and prospered again when the US went into recession along with Europe.

It was no accident,it was good economic management.We should now be into our second recession if Labor were in power.That is the hard core reality.

No Ran, you are seriously mistaken. And thank you for engaging this little Dingbat et al. Ha
There is no need to label anyone, as some of those who progress in Psychological manipulation, they do this by them selves; this is what is called the left. Or any that have plans to control who-what- and when. This is the nature of less able intelligence and the lazy that plan ways to manipulate. In days gone by, it is by force. As I said to Azilis on another thread. Read this link: Seriously, Ran Read it; http://majorityrights.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/22/

You are not of that Ilk, perhaps misguided, but you still have an Independent mind and the ability to achieve. A bit Fiery and what you have provided already in information, suggests some what confused. Believe in your self and do not depend on others
If it is someone’s intention to Lie-deceive- or state untruths, then there is a purpose for it: Usually it is for their gain and to deprive you of your earnt effort, or to use your mind to progress their cause, thus this, the progeny of thieves.
And as this link states. The reversal of Information and deception for “political reasoning” (Crime) emanates from this group; http://majorityrights.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/83/
And has progressed into Philosophy, and is an underpinning principle of corrupt conduct and intent. You would know the Latin terminology for co-vert act and Done in the open?
I will help with initials ( A R) and ( M R).
And next time , take your car to a Mechanic.

What a great load of unsubstantiated piffle Arjay
Prove your assertions.
It is also interesting to note that you use the word 'reality' when you really mean 'my opinion'