Scout: This is why this whole Muslim conspiracy thing is laughable... apart from major things, people disagree over many others, so there is no way anyone could be a coordinated 5th column attack force set to crush "free world values" and the like.

I just feel it is very sad (and alarming!) that Muslims are not seen as authoritative enough in their own religious tradition to speak on the values they were brought up with; and for those who have knowledge, about Shariah and so on. if we can't speak about what we actually believe, then who can? It is mind boggling.

dawood,

Poor reasoning on your part.

Islam does NOT require a coordinated attack force to crush free world values. The innocent and very natural human activity- Muslims having more babies, will spell the end of freedom and democracy in times to come.

Who's stopping you from telling us what you actually believe??

Though sincere as you may be, what convinces you that Muslims really know what they believe in? The truth ??

Muslims (and their naive sympathisers) are manifestly inadequate in their ability to think logically. That's why I asserted earlier there is no such thing as a Muslim intellect.

logic + facts --> truth

Muslim 'intellectualism' simply does not cut it. So how do you expect to get remotely close to the truth?

Instead of feeling sorry for your lots, I suggest a bit of lateral thinking and access this web site for your entertainment (if not enlightenment):-

http://www.faithfreedom.org

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Scout,

Very good article. Religions can only provide framework for people to be better humans. To take religion as a ‘user manual’ make us loose the wisdom of it.

Dawood,

Agree.
I am amazed of how Islam bashers love to explain what Islam is and isn’t and get offended when a Muslim explains his faith. I can never think of myself explaining someone’s else religion. In fact many times I asked Philo about Christian theology to help me understand it better. I am not sure if its arrogance, religious impotence, or just pure hate.

GZ Tan,

Any idea why is your ‘freedom of faith organisations’ never allow Muslims to contribute? Practicing what you preach is a good starting point.
If you can’t see the spirituality in the 5 pillars of Islam, can I suggest a good DVD called “Shallow Hal”? Its about a spiritual guy like you. Islam is here to stay you can accept it or keep denying it until one of your kids becomes Muslim.

fellow_human: As a so called [by you]"islam-basher" I hope I am just letting this forum know what I have read regards pagan islam. Have just read an article by Dr. Wafa Sultan [an ex-moslem] some of her comments are as follows. quote: "I believe our people are hostages to our own beliefs and teachings".
"We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a Church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people"
In the debate, she questioned the religious teachings that prompt young people to commit suicide in the name of god. "Why does a young moslem man, in the prime of life, with a full life ahead, go and blow himself up?" she asked. "In our countries
, religion is the sole source of education and is the only spring from which that terrorist drank until his thirst was quenched"
The other guest on this programme was a professor of religious studies, Dr. Ibrahim al-Khouli, asked, "Are you a heretic?" He then said there was no point in rebuking or debating her because she had blaphemed against islam, the prophet mohamad and the koran. Dr.Sultan took those words as a formal fatwa, since then she has received numerous death threats.
No one can leave this pagan islamic religion eh? No one can think for themselves eh? All must be totally obedient to this death-loving pagan religion eh? numbat

Ifran

How about some mutual repsect? I'll learn to spell your name... if you learn the concept of manners and boudries as understood in secular Modernity and curtail to Australias resounding NO to non secular islam and it's religious law.

Deal?

Scout,
This is a good description of the nature of a religious Cult. It is worthwile studying the life and attitudes of the founders of religions to see if or how they desired the control of others minds. Perhaps begin first with the leaders of the two major religions to see if any of them come under this "drug".
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Quote, "When God becomes a drug

Uncompromising judgmental attitudes.

The need to control, to be perfect, and to feel superior often lead to religious addiction. Religion offers a new sense of identity and feelings of control and self-worth. Yet it is a false sense of self-worth based on putting down, humiliating, or even persecuting others who do not share your beliefs or follow rules as rigidly. .....

So much of religious addiction is built on fantasy ..... that being religious makes you a better person. ......... religious addicts must create the fantasy that others are somehow bad, inferior, or evil in order to maintain a sense of superiority. So they fear anything that poses a threat to this fantasy- driven sense of self-respect. They preach bigotry and hatred based on race, religion, or political persuasion, unable to recognize the abusiveness and hypocrisy. .......... Projecting all of your self-hatred onto others, you judge them as harshly as you judge yourself -- always pronouncing on others the same guilty verdict you secretly impose on yourself...................When you feel compelled to force your family and friends to follow your beliefs -- and become angry and hostile when they choose not to accept them -- you are not practicing healthy religion."