That's right Te, we don't know what happens when we die. You might be right or I might be right.

So I will give you the freedom to live according to your beliefs and I expect you to give me the freedom to live my life in harmony with my beliefs and experience. Its called tolerance and requires respect for the other person.

Te, the very thought of spending forever with Meg and those old popes would be my idea of HELL!

All those colourful characters like Dave Allen, Kerry Packer,
Bill Clinton, the team from Monty Python and the Glasshouse,
etc, sounds much much much more appealing :)

Im with Yabbie, I would sooner sit around with Dave Allen and the Python team anyday.

Whilst we are having a joke break…

This fellow went to heaven. He was a Methodist.

He used to sit around with the Anglicans and the Baptists etc. in heaven happy debating religions or whatever.

Then he noticed at meal times, from all the plates of food which the angels brought out, some of them were thrown over a wall, which set a bit of heaven off from the rest.

He was intrigued by this.

Eventually he could resist no longer and asked why the food was thrown over the wall.

The passing angel said

“Well we have to feed you all. Over that wall is where we keep the Catholics but they prefer to think they are the only ones here.”

We are all responsible for how we live. Supporting a particular religious order is a personal choice, no different to supporting a particular football team.

It is how we act and behave as individuals that matters.
That is all that has ever mattered.

The nature of any co-dependent religious relationships we might choose to develop has always been irrelevant, except of course to those who live suffer a particular mental disease.

Yabby & Col Rouge - be careful what you wish for. :-)))))

Not much 'tolerance' and 'respect'from anti-lifers though?

Yabby's desperately denying Papal paranoia and proving otherwise! Have you any posts NOT vilifying Catholics?

Don’t argue, “Only the Catholic Church is pushing pro-life arguments”. LAB and others have already debunked that rot.

I haven’t worked in any pro-life support network without meeting a cross-section of Christians, etc.

The morning-after pill works to prevent conceived life from implanting in the womb…medically causing abortion. Re: legal issues – abortion is also classified as contraception.

RE: order of questioning, please feel free to refer back. Are you really as obtuse as you are coming across?

Yabby, the worms will eat both of us, our souls will’ve left our bodies by then…I’m happy for my body to return to the earth, it’s the destination of our souls you should be more interested in.

Heaven! Yes, Robert – wouldn’t it be priceless…

I’ll give you a really scary thought – could you see Yabby, Billie, Col , you & Co at a BBQ wherever you all end up? Maybe Brownie will suggest what your family might be up to back here – when he’s finished peeping through windows.

…What makes you think Dave, Kerry and Co will be where you lot are? Are you JUDGING their lives comparative to yours?

Col: We’re ‘all responsible for how we live. Supporting a particular religious order is … no different to supporting a particular football team.’

Do you concede you should follow rules the footie club lays down? The national body too? Rather hypocritical, Col!

Col: ‘It is how we act and behave as individuals that matters.
That is all that has ever mattered.’

Don’t tell me Yabby’s worms are convincing you to have two-bob-each-way – you’ve been the advocate of no rules, parental guidance or morals to get in the way of a good time for Col.

Which is it? Act responsibly and morally or follow your instincts – like the chimps and bonobos?

There are a few of you showing serious signs of an amoral, anti-life co-dependency here, does that qualify you for Col’s ‘mental disease’?

Meg1 I am pleased you acknowledge the similarity between religions and football teams.

It is reassuring that we have an analogy which you agree with.

As in “Do you concede you should follow rules the footie club lays down?”

Well Meg1, I would agree completely and totally.

However, I would choose which footie club I support.

You are here demanding to tell me which team I must support.
You demand to deny me choice of club.

My club rules differ from your club rules.

On my club, everyone is involved in electing the officials.

Your leave it to just the main players only to agree among themselves on the rules and those main players have been corrupting the set of rules since the time your club was founded.

My club respects everyone as individuals.

Your club sees the common member as a drone and money supply to support the edifice of corruption which your main players have built to their own glory.

My team tolerates those from opposing clubs.
Your team has a history of rioting and burning to death people who they hear singing the anthem of opposing clubs.

I CHOOSE not to be part of your club.

I feel morally obligated with a duty to do everything I can to expose your club for it for its corrupt and manipulative “mission statement”.

Now that we have “footie clubs” sorted

“amoral, anti-life co-dependency” I think that is an oxymoron.

Suggesting such is a sign of pitiful desperation.


“Which is it? Act responsibly and morally or follow your instincts”

Being a person endowed with freewill and a capacity for reason,

my “own instinct”

is to “Act responsibly and morally”


That you're co-dependency upon papal edicts (to tell you how to act) is your personal limitation and not a universal deficiency.

I am independent of religious doctrines. However, that does not mean I am devoid of recognising, for myself, what are the responsible and moral options.

I do not need the Pope.
And that denies the co-dependency which the Pope and RCC need to maintain their immoral power base