Proud to be Indonesian,
Your Indonesian propaganda and war-mongering identifies who you really are; nothing more than a pompous igoramous threatening war and violence.

The fact is I have had several of these West Papuans stay in my home while studying in Australia. They are gentle and intelligent people unlike the pretense you exude of them being thugs.

The Indonesian army entered their village, shot people with straight hair before their eyes that were not from their region because the army believed they were propagating independence. Which was not the case they were visiting friends. The army took several girls for rape as though these people are primitive thugs. They shot their chickens and pillaged their gardens for food. Is it any wonder these people want independence from a barbaric Indonesian Army.

They want independence all right because the Government has no controll over the barbarism carried out by the Indonesian Army in the field. The Indonesian army learned its military skills under Australian commanders. The Australian Commandos know the lack of sensibilities and poor decisions of the Indonesian military. They are not more than bruital thugs that cannot negotiate peace and tolerance; which you also show as the level of your barbarism and threat. Grow up!

Proud to be Indonesian,

You ought to hang your head in shame at the way the Indonesian Army treat the indigenous peoples of Indonesia. You call them barbaric thugs, that is a more apt description of the Indonesian Army.

When my nephew and his regiment was parashuted into East Timor to assist the civillian Temorise against the barbarism carried out against civillians by Thugs of the Indonesian Army they were amased that an army supposed to protect a civillian society could carry out such atrocities against unnarmed people. You ought to be proud, blood thirsty barbarians without a civil mind in any one of your soldiers.

When I wrote to your former President they indicated their concern for the behaviour of the army and assured me they were looking into its uncontrolled behaviour. It is obvious you also are not more than one of its political thugs; brainwashed by political propaganda.

Tony Bosk, Who writes for a newspaper in the People’s Republic of Canberra, is obviously another trendy lefty obsessed with the notion that every asylum shopping “refugee” in the world has an inalienable right to come to Australia where can become yet another burden on the long suffering Aussie taxpayer.

Mr Bosk quite rightly points out that Australia is not conforming to the treaties that our governments signed on our behalf, that give certain rights to refugees. But since I did not personally authorize Australian diplomats to traipse around the world with their “partners” signing away Australian sovereignty, I don’t feel any particular need to criticize the present government for that.

The solution to this moral quandary is simple. Abrogate those treaties.

But while Mr Bosk is arguing that it is utterly reprehensible for the Australian government to violate it’s own principles. But Mr Bosk sees nothing wrong with violating his own.

The 43 people who arrived in Australia are “Indonesians”, Mr Bosk, not “West Papuans.” Mr Bosk seems to think that Indonesian occupation of West Papua constitutes some sort of reprehensible action. But Mr Bosk must also believe in Multiculturalism, and under this concept the notion of “race” is verboten. Consequently, the instant an Indonesian soldier put his big toe on West Papua, then under some form of transmutation, every person in West Papua became an instant “Indonesian.” After all, under Multiculturalism, all cultures are equal. So it does not matter who runs the joint. And if Mr Bosk objects to current Indonesian migration to West Papua, then I would justifiably accuse him of being a racist.

Philo
I too have spoken to West Papuans who tell similar tales. One woman in particular told of how she witnessed a family member shot in the chest when he opened the door to the military. She spoke of women and girls being taken, raped and murdered by the Indonesian military, one of them her sister. She recounted the total fear she experienced when she opened the door to the military and they pointed a gun at her. She was not sure if she was shot or not.
I say we, Australia, should be demanding the truth about West Papua from our media and politicians. Indonesia appears to be incapable of governing in a peaceful manner the many disparate peoples it claims make up its country.
Independence for West Papua. Indonesia, as aptly demonstrated by PTBI rules with violence and death.
Graham Young spruiks about the need for truth about the Greenpeace/Japanese whaler incident, what about truth on West Papua.

It's very interesting that 'Proud to be Indonesian' hasn't responded to the comments of 'rlindsay'- it appears that PTBI had no trouble quoting facts and inviting posters to confirm them, but is a little lost for words when his 'facts' are questioned and proven false.

It is also a sad indictment on Indonesia that PTBI has so much trouble condemning the frequent brutality of the TNI. Why is it PTBI that your country cannot condemn its armed forces for the atrocities they commit against civilians? I believe that Indonesias brutality in West Papua, and Indonesias unwillingness to recognise that West Papuans are not Indonesians is a sign of insecurity and weakness. It is also a sign that because of poor government, poor resource management and poor living standards Indonesia's government is frightened that the entire population of Indonesia is growing disillusioned.

Australia is much more important to Indonesia than PTBI thinks. If things had turned bad in East Timor in 1999 I have little doubt that Australia would have instigated and achieved crushing pressure on Indonesia through the World Bank and the United States. Furthermore Indonesians do not have the skill to threaten other countries economically or militarily. It is the ethnic Chinese in Indonesia who support the rest of the population.

The Australian military has an extremely proud history-in fact defence analysts rank it as the second most proficient and well trained force in the world (only behind the Israelis). Malaya was a victory as the history books show- Australia not only helped Malaya become Malaysia (not part of Indonesia), but also to defeat the communist insurgency (the only insurgency defeated in modern times). Your Gallipoli comments were ignorant- Australia fought with English and New Zealanders. Australia has a long list of fine military victories though- El Alamein, Tobruk, Beersheba, New Guinea, Kappiyong, East Timor.....

Personally I do not believe 43 West Papaun asylum-seekers exist, I think it is just a beat up from the media, as I distinctly remember,our fearless leader announcing "We will decide who comes, and the circumstances under which they come" and that's good enough for me.

The bloody leftie press up to no good again, when will they ever learn that our fearless leader "DOES NOT LIE" this is a non issue good people a figment of media imagination, move along please, nothing to see here.