Matthew wrote:

For instance,
• two footballers were gunned down (i.e. killed) by such a gang outside of a Coogee pub a few years back just for being “skipps”;
• a young “skipp” had his head fatally slammed against a telegraph pole by such a gang a couple of New Years Eve’s back;
• there have been numerous “Aussie sluts” racially gang-raped over the years by who in many cases were groups of “kin”;

Matthew, the footballers were shot outside a pub at Five Dock, not Coogee. The shooters belonged to a gang of mixed ethnicity, including those of non-Islamic Lebanese and other ethnicities.

The telegraph pole killing took place at Emu Plains, and involved young men of anglo background.

The groups of 'kin' were brothers from Pakistan, (a group that also included an outsider from Nepal) - of Pushtun ethnicity - not of Lebanese background.

So, if you are going to slang off at a certain ethnic group, please make sure that you have the facts right.

That is not to say that a group of individuals of Lebanese background are not the cause of much trouble. But at least get stuck into them for the right reasons, like the killing of Edward Lee and the activities that took place in an attempt to pervert the course of justic afterwards.

Seems like there's plenty of cowards on this board. I don't hear the anti-muslim and anti-multiculturism views that you write hear anywhere else other than on the net. Anonymity brings courage it seems. As a part of a migrant family myself and being married to a woman who has recently migrated to Australia, it's important, for my family's safety, that I remember that people like you are out there even if you don't have the courage to say what you think of me and my family to our faces.

I watched a review of the Australia Day celebrations on the news this evening. I note that all the faces on the t.v were exceptionally white. Australia didn't look too multicultural at all so not too much for you guys to worry about after all.

Would an Aussie get upset if someone typed incorrect information about us alledging things about us that we never did or that only a small number of us did?

Well guess what that is the problem when we let our emotions rule our heads.

This shouldn't have to be said but Just because someone types something doesn't mean it is true ... just because someone tells you something it doesn't mean it is true. And just because one person from a particular background does something it doesn't mean they all did it..

The postings by Matthew and the corrections by Hamlet are an excellent example.

Are all Aussie's like the Bali 9 ... No! Well guess what all Lebanese people aren't like the people who broke the law by revengefully attacking other Aussies. And all Aussies aren't like the ones in Cronulla who let their emotions rule their heads and illegally attacked anyone with a tan better than theirs. Likewise many of the people who attended Cronulla didn't perform any of the illegal acts that others did when it all got out of hand.

The problem isn't in ethnicities it is in that people form gangs. Everyone is so much tougher in a gang and more prone to break the law... but it is up to the police to deal with it not individuals or other gangs.

Here is the challenge... Why don't we all as Aussie put our differences and emotions to one side... and help the police to round up the troublemakers from all backgrounds so that the law can deal with them. If you know the names of people shown on the tapes tell the police... You can do it anonomously on crime stoppers 1800 333 000.

Parents if your kids were seen bashing people tell the police.You can do it anonomously on crime stoppers. They're going to find them sooner or later... Help them to help us put the Sydney riots behind us.

Lastly all religions say respect your parents.... well guess what brawling in the streets isn't respecting them it's shaming them.

So Dick, is someone who finds the idea of multiculturalism a coward huh? And I guess someone who adores multiculti is a remarkable human being? Hang on, if we are a democracy, that means that there is a for and against on every issue. Is the issue of immigration and multiculturalism exempt from debate?

I am against the idea of importing people from here there and everywhere just to satisfy big business demand for a population of 40 million.

Opposing multi culti has become a taboo, that is why people are reluctant to be open about there feelings. They don't want to be ridiculed. Fined for vilification or sent to jail. I often come across immigrants with no desire to learn the language or make any attempt to fit in.

I make my views known publicly. Ok, my letters to the editor never get published and threats are made everywhere else. Coward? I am fit, young and can defend myself quite easily. (Except of course against big business and the bizarre laws enacted to hold the multi culti catastrophie together).

If you are resentful towards white people mate, leave!

Salam,

(part I)

You obviously perceive that any threat to the Australian lifestyle, i.e. any intolerance, will only come from Anglo Australians who have a grievance with “multiculturalism,” those you snidely imply “get drunk” on Australia Day.

But you ought consider that the real problem facing Australia lies in the reluctance of members of non-Anglo communities to be critical of the ethno-religio-centrism and intolerance rife in their own sub-communities.

Consider yourself for instance: On the one hand, the racist verbal slur “wog” signifies to you the need to be “hiding behind my four walls,” yet on the other hand, the recently released video footage capturing the events of the nights of Dec 12-13, events which include the totally unprovoked RACE-HATE attack by three dozen sober thugs on one Anglo, signify to you little more than “irresponsible youth” and “random acts of vandalism and physical aggression”!?!

If that brutal footage was of a pack of unprovoked Anglo “skin-heads” brutally targeting a “leb,” and it was learned to have been kept hidden from the public (the task-force’s explanation being that its release would be pointless, for their experience with the Anglo-Christian community suggested they would be disinclined to report the thugs anyway), and the media refused to refer to it as depicting a “race-hate” crime, and representatives of the Anglo and Christian community went on the defensive, preferring to hysterically play the victim of generalised stereotyping than to confront the skin-head issue for the racist nihilism that it is, wouldn’t you be on the first plane to the UN?!?

But no fair-minded person needs it pointed out to them that the sober organisational capacity of well coordinated convoys of sober “lions of Lebanon” Dec 12-13, whom youth worker Fadi Rahman described as considering themselves “superior” to Anglos, reflects the utmost potent of “HERD INSTINCT,” and therefore a propensity to RACISM the likes of which most European derived Australians are literally unable to conceptualise, let alone enact, for it requires an incapacity to be concerned for the welfare of those outside of one’s own “tribe,” precisely what those at Cronulla fear.

(part II)

Now, just because Anglos are the only people who have a serious self-critical dialogue with themselves and thereby bring to the fore issues of racism, paedophilia, misogyny, etc., doesn’t mean these aren’t more rife elsewhere; quite the contrary.

And just because Anglos are the only people who seriously debate and review their identity doesn’t mean they lack one; culture does not equate to adhering to tradition! Indeed, relative to superficial food and dance, being open to transformation lies at the very core of democracy and thereby is a sign of true substance.

But such a procedure cannot function under an overbearing herd-instinct, but only a healthy individualism, hence Europe’s Reformation and Enlightenment.

A concern for the welfare of people outside of one’s “tribe” is all that the Cronulla protesters want. This is reflected in their shire’s being the largest contributor to the Tsunami Relief Fund, which assisted the anti-Christian, anti-Anglo Muslims of Aceh, and cannot be said of the tribalism of some other “Australian” fundraisers at the time, concerned only for Sri Lanka or Pakistan, for instance.

The only people known in this country who are not, as you imply of Cronullans, privy to “sharing the limited space [of the beach] with their picnic rugs and smiling faces,” are Islamic women through their utterly intolerant practice of not swimming in the same water as “infidels.” We insanely call it “tradition”!

And how might you explain the fact that the Cronulla shire had the most volunteers to the Sydney Olympics? Indeed, the Anglo population is well in the minority in Sydney, yet they comprise at least 90% of the community service jobs like the police force, fire brigade, ambulance service, and almost all volunteer community organisations.

And what of the rate at which the Cronullan’s might practice inter-ethnic marriage? Is it anything like that of Australian Lebanese Muslim males, whom Bob Birrell recently reported as having a rate of 74% of going to Lebanon itself to find a wife?

Have you ever considered that maybe the people of Cronulla don’t want to share the beach with bigots and racists?