Rainer, I really would not want some of those who post here being able to track me down or potentially some of that large number who read and don't post - them I know nothing about. Not ashamed of my views but paranoid enough to think that could be dangerous at times. Other reasons for prefering annonomity as well such as Family Law issues.

I think that there is a good place for public debate with a reasonable freedom from the risk of consequences for airing unpopular viewpoints. Some issues are better thrashed out even if that carries the pain of listening to some horrid stuff.

I'm not real concerned about the official arm of big sister - I guess she could find out who each of us is without much trouble. What I don't want to do is make it easy for the unofficial enforcers of some viewpoints to have easy access to me.

A bit paranoid maybe but the hatred expressed in some of the posts that pop up here is enough to provide some justification for concern and dealing with some of the extremists in the agencies surrounding Family Law provides seperate justification.

R0bert

Rainier,

You sound a bit depressed. Cheer up. Back in 1967 I voted "yes" to make you a citizen. Please don't thank me. I am after all here to help.

As for fortitude. The British didn't have to do much to take over. I believe in calling a spade a spade.

The problem with a lot of "minorities" is that want to be something special and that is "white", like me Fred Reich.

Rainier "don't go changin'".

Rainier

If I hadn't got his back up he wouldn't have debated me.

I offered a sincere apology, It was rejected. No apology was offered by Dirk for his insults.

Besides you'd never call me a racist.

Dear Salam,

[part 1]

On talkback radio the other day, it was confirmed by two unrelated callers from different parts of a certain SW Sydney suburb, that a gang of youths who identify as being Lebanese were out “hunting Aussies,” (i.e. Anglos). Both of these callers were of Lebanese descent, which they each said was what saved them from a bashing.

Even if these incidents did have a direct connection to Cronulla Dec 11 they are nonetheless totally “unjustified events.” Such racially-motivated assaults have been occurring across Sydney for the past 10-15 years.

For instance,
• two footballers were gunned down (i.e. killed) by such a gang outside of a Coogee pub a few years back just for being “skipps”;
• a young “skipp” had his head fatally slammed against a telegraph pole by such a gang a couple of New Years Eve’s back;
• there have been numerous “Aussie sluts” racially gang-raped over the years by who in many cases were groups of “kin”;
• there have been hoards of Anglo males, predominantly those of the poorer classes, who have been violently bashed by such gangs, the middle-classes getting a taste of it at Darling Harbour or Wesfields;
• there are many cases proving that even the police are reticent to confront such gangs, sometimes even prudently retreating back to headquarters for the sake of avoiding an otherwise bloodbath of death, and the subsequent flow of inquiries.

The difference between any evidence I present here, and the racial abuse acknowledged in the likes of the ISMA Report, is that unlike the latter’s reliance on mere survey, my evidence is verifiable by police and ambulance reports.

Although the mere tip of the iceberg, this still reflects an underlying bigotry inherent in sections of the Australian Middle-Eastern community, an intolerance that you, Salam, ought to be addressing.

Imagine the reverse! Say no more!

[part 2]

This has led to the situation whereby the broader Australian community feels powerless, and it is precisely such powerlessness which spawned the 5000 turnout at Cronulla Dec 11.

When a victim actually takes these thugs to court, they are threatened, racially abused (including, by the entire family of the defendants), and in many cases, for fear of being killed, they drop the case or move interstate under the recommendation of the police (see Today Tonight archives mid 2005).

Days after the Cronulla riots and subsequent voilence, people who were originally calling for a protest against the middle eastern gangs such as the Bra Boys and Glen Steele(the x-footballer who is now in hiding), publicly apoligised to try to help restore calm, as well as many in the community who cooperated with police to lock up the thugs who perpetrated the violence on Dec 11 at Cronulla.
All the likes of one of their main youth leaders, Fahdi Rahman, could say was that “they feel superior to non-muslims” and that “they hate the western world” and that “why wouldn’t they be angry when the police treated them different the Anglos”. This is ludicrous, since the police smashed the Anglos at Cronulla with battons, whereas the Lebanese thugs were steered clear of, allowed to head to Brighton le Sands and Maroubra in a convoy as police were ordered “not to engage and antagonise them”. When they stopped and searched their convertible BMWs, Mecedes Benzs and hotted-up sports cars, the police confiscated their swords, bats, poles etc.(if not guns) then let them drive on to later randomly bash and stab innocent “skips”, as well as destroy hundreds of cars.
All of this from a community that makes up only 2-3% of the nations population. They need to have a good hard look at themselves and attempt to demarcate the racist bigots from the decent people, and stop blaming everybody else for their own Arabic “hairyheads”(like skinheads but muslim ones) problem.

Matthew - well spoken mate.

Cheers
Kay