There seems to be criticisms of one of Danny Nalliah's seminar about Islam. At one seminar, muslim converts were sent in to entrap Nalliah for 'hate speech'. Basically, Nalliah was set up. All he did was quote from the Koran, and it was these quotes that were deemed 'hateful'.

What were these Muslim converts doing at the seminar? Did they have an ulterior motive? Were they instructed to attend by anyone in particular? (methinks so - socialist halfwits, Kenny types?, muslims etc).

Seems like these vilification laws are designed to force feed the general public multiculturalism - instrumental to the fabian socialist agenda

Yep Davo and Leigh, can someone now recall the name of the woman who headed up the new Religious Vilification department, and set the Two Dannie’s up? P C would dictate it had to be a Moslem,and she was. I could not pronounce her name, properly without insulting anyone. Can anyone help?

Since we are now on the topic of the vilification case and the seminar held by Catch the Fire Ministries, I will contribute a few facts:
* At least two of the three Muslim converts were asked to attend the CTFM seminar on Islam by a woman named May Helou. At the time she was a member of the executive of the Islamic Council of Victoria, ran the ICV Support group for new converts AND was EMPLOYED by the Equal Opportunity Commission to assist the community in understanding the new law!
* One of the converts who made the complaint, Malcolm Thomas, is the new president of the Islamic Council of Victoria.
* Indeed, Danny Nalliah was not at the seminar.
* The case is being appealed and will be heard in the Supreme Court Court of Appeal before the middle of next year.
* Interestingly, Justice Morris ahs said, in the Alpha case (brought by witch Robin Fletcher) that the Act does not apply to 'vilifying' a religion - it just applies to vilification of 'people'.
Back to multiculturalism...
Yes, it is time to encourage everyone to integrate and get on with life. Multiculturalism is a favourite of the Bracks government - not only did they pass the RRTA but they passed the 'Multicultural Victoria Act' last year, enshrining multiculturalism into law. It asks us to respect the religious beliefs of all others. Now whilst I respect people, respecting their beliefs is quite another matter!
Government department even have to report on how many languages they 'translate' their documents into - one presumes that the more languages they use, the more 'brownie points' they get!
Not content with that, the Bracks government is currently planning a 'Charter of Rights’, which will further promote multiculturalism and a range of other 'rights'!
Jenny Stokes, Salt Shakers.

Brazuka, now let me get this right, you want me to seriously discuss a subject that you know nothing about but of which you speak with an expertise emanating from anonymity? You do realise that you just compared Aboriginal Australians and the US Declaration of Independence? Just checking, there must be a camera here somewhere…By the way, do you have Judeo-Christian on some sort of keyboard speed-dial?
Lets just address this constant barrage of Christian fetishism that you keep trotting out. If you, or anyone, posting a view that contains a religious reference to prove a point then you have lost my serious consideration on any point following it. Keeping up, so far? Ok, deep breath and keep reading…
Two things have caused the most pain and sadness in human history. Disease and religious dogma. I was bought up a Christian and still hold many of its values. Values, I may add, that are analogous to the basic tenets of all religions that I can think of. However, from that basic point, religions have evolved to become devices that validate abuses of power over others.
I believe in a supreme being. I call him God but that is not the only name that this entity is known by. God, or whoever you conceive God to be, surely does not need to entertain pedantic rhetoric to validate the undermining of basic human equality. Conceive of alternate avenues to authenticate your twisted ideals, if you must, but stop exploiting your God's ephemeral existence to gain advantage over another. There seems no end, either in this forum or from news around the globe, where God or Allah or whoever is trotted out as the reason for pontificating a hallowed superiority. So please don't bother espousing the relative merits of the twisted caricature of spirituality that you call modern religion. For every two words you give me in support of them I see a thousand pictures that tell me differently.
Brazuka, if you had an inkling of Aboriginal spirituality you would not have compared it to a man made document born from war.

Australian citizenship a prerequisite.

As an immigrant myself I would suggest this talk of multiculturalism is a cop out and weakens my country. Being able to live here without becoming an Australian citizen and even then, being able to have dual nationality, weakens our national spirit as being expressed in France, the UK and other multicultural nations. Divided loyalty leads to racism and racist expressions.

Clearly it is complex but can I suggest the following as a beginning?

1. Entry to Australia is conditional to assuming Australian citizenship withing two years. No dual citizenship. As a term of entry, Australian citizenship or leave becomes part of the contract with our country.

2. Existing immigrants (ie. without Australian citizenship) have the choice of staying as currently BUT if they break the law, they are exported. (Or for those moderates, given the option of becoming Australian citizens or leaving).

Assistance brochures at places like Centrelink will ONLY be in English. I learned english within a year and I dont consider myself exceptional. English is the national language and we dont have to expend resources catering for those who dont avail themselves to the services available to learn our national language.

It is time we incorporate our beautiful country and respect us as a sovereign country. We can remain multicultural (whatever that might mean), but lets get some respect for our country.

Givern the current concerns over the environment and Australia’s water shortage I would think it appropriate to investigate just how many people Australia can support... while 'soft' MC may well be fine, at some point there just will not be room for more people in australia! Maybe that’s now or maybe in a 100 years but I think its something that needs proper consideration. There seems to be an underlying assumption in MC that the more people that come hear the better. Is this a valid assumption?